Cam Phaser/ Engine Failure Poll

Have you had or have a cam phaser or engine failure on your Gen 2?


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WraptorBoy

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What about a class action law suit? Anybody with knowledge on this. It’s a huge issue with these trucks.


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Here we go again.

If every 3.5L ecoboost had this issue and Ford refused to recall/fix/replace the engine, sure!

But this isn't the case.

Also, lemon laws vary from state to state. In some states, if you get a loaner while your vehicle is in the shop past the 30 days, it won't qualify for the lemon law!

From this forum, 20% of those that voted have the issue. A forum will hugely magnify any issue. I would not agree that 20% of all Raptors have this issue though it is disturbing that anyone has it (sorry for those that did/do!).

I'd estimate about 25,000+ 2nd gen Raptors have been sold since 2017.

I'd estimate that of the 3 million F series that have been sold since 2017, two thirds+ of those are F-150s.

For F-150s and ecoboost engines, they can get the 2.7L or 3.5L twin turbo engines. Both are going to generate a ton of heat etc so they can stand up to that stress. I just saw an article that the one millionth ecoboost has been sold (that was in 2016).

F-150 is the best selling truck of all time (not to be confused with the most reliable truck of all time Tacoma and Tundra). Like anything, the more that are sold, the more issues (good and non-good things) will be exposed.

For example, Windows is probably in 99% of all computers on the planet. Therefore, attackers will attack that OS the most and reveal the most security issues. It's often said that Mac and Linux don't get virues. That's BS. I've seen it myself. If the same number of people who attacked Windows also attacked Mac and Linux, you'd see the same failures.

Therefore, sure, there will be more issues uncovered with this truck because there are far more than any other brand.

Even Toyota (e.g. Tundra) and Lexus (e.g. IS350) have had multi-year major engine defects that were corrected, but not until many years have passed (go read about the Tundra and Lexus recalls, I have).

What am I trying to say? Yes I'm nervous that when I take delivery of mine in the fall, there is a small percentage that I may have the issue.

Why am I risking it? Because it has what I need a no other manfacturer offers it.

If you drone on the negative of this truck, then also drone on the positives. Check out some threads by searching "how many miles do you have on your raptor/F-150/ecoboost 3.5L etc. and you'll find the equal and opposite reaction that those members who divulged their information, have hundreds of thousands of miles on their truck with zero issues.

But yeah, if I end up with the issue, my plan is to get it fixed, trade it and move on though I agree that would be a major SUCKFEST!
 
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Is the cam phaser issue confined to the Raptors "performance" 3.5 EB, or all 3.5 and 2.7 EBs?
 

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LOL! I hope you don't get it. My wife's 2018 F150 just got fixed. I am waiting for the bronco and then it is getting traded in. Imagine if you have this issue out of warranty. It will cost 4k+ to get it fixed. Parts are like $300ish. (gotta double check my receipt) but the labor is what kills you on this fix.

But yeah, if I end up with the issue, my plan is to get it fixed, trade it and move on though I agree that would be a major SUCKFEST!
 
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LOL! I hope you don't get it. My wife's 2018 F150 just got fixed. I am waiting for the bronco and then it is getting traded in. Imagine if you have this issue out of warranty. It will cost 4k+ to get it fixed. Parts are like $300ish. (gotta double check my receipt) but the labor is what kills you on this fix.

And unfortunately unlike an LTx or Hemi you don't get all smiles when your drop a lifter & wipe out the stock cam outta warranty.....that happens on one of those & you can simply remove the rest of the AFM/DOD crap & upgrade the top end cam/lifters/springs/pushrods etc. & wind up w/ more power & durability to boot.

W/ the EB motor you just get back to where you started & gotta worry about it happening again.

That being said, don't really care got a 100k b2b extended warranty.
 
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2018 Supercrew 32000 miles. In the dealer for Cam Phaser replacement. Dealer gave me a loaner truck at least. Does anyone know whether the repair is stronger than the original parts? Is there an upgraded oil pump that would help? I got a call from the dealer offering a 2019 Ruby Red 802A for $32K difference. I politely passed. Then an hour later I got a call offering an $18.5K difference on the 2019. They are valuing the 2018 at less than $60K at this point. As I look on the internet, that seems about the going rate. What happened to the retained value of the Raptor?
 

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2018 Supercrew 32000 miles. In the dealer for Cam Phaser replacement. Dealer gave me a loaner truck at least. Does anyone know whether the repair is stronger than the original parts? Is there an upgraded oil pump that would help? I got a call from the dealer offering a 2019 Ruby Red 802A for $32K difference. I politely passed. Then an hour later I got a call offering an $18.5K difference on the 2019. They are valuing the 2018 at less than $60K at this point. As I look on the internet, that seems about the going rate. What happened to the retained value of the Raptor?

Nope, it's the same parts going back in that already failed. There will be no fix for this engine's timing issues. Ford will move onto an entirely new engine/cam phaser design instead. That's just SOP now. The days of using the same basic engine design for 20 years and refining that engine as they go is over. The new engines for the next F150 are already being tested. They just don't have the resources to go back and re-engineer the existing engines failure areas- it's cheaper just to warranty the bad ones and move on. Chances are one warranty repair will get them past the 5/60K warranty and then they don't care anymore.

The guys without issues will tell you how great this engine is until the cows come home. Even though it has no history of being a reliable design, and it's predecessor was not a reliable design either.
 

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The guys without issues will tell you how great this engine is until the cows come home. Even though it has no history of being a reliable design, and it's predecessor was not a reliable design either.

said it before and will say it again.....i have experience 5 different vehicles with the 3.5 ecoboost and over 350,000 miles. There is not a design problem with this motor.
 
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