GEN 2 Cam Phase Fix via oil pressure?

[jamanrr]

Fuel octane could make a difference in failure rates as well as I think the engine is supposed to have premium in it since new but not all follow that rule.

Ford has extended the warranty right?

 

[Dancam]

*sigh* Wrong answer jam. So much bad info spread on forum(s). Fortunately, the truth on the cam phaser issue has been posted many times.

nobody could explain why given same truck, same year/trim , one truck gets it several times (even driven less miles) while the other never gets the rattle. It's not a consistent issue and doesnt follow any logical pattern.

 

[nikhsub1]

Yes they will because it is a system failure of not getting oil pressure where it needs to be. It is a design flaw inherent in the 3.5 liter motors across various models. The program upgrade did help mine but unless you are increasing pressure into those passages leading to the affected parts then there is no way to stop the excessive wear. They will fail eventually again.

but hey believe what you want.

The failure is due to a locking pin failure. Not oil pressure. If the phaser doesn’t lock at shutdown in the proper locking position, it will rattle on startup until it syncs back into place.

 

[nikhsub1]

Fuel octane could make a difference in failure rates as well as I think the engine is supposed to have premium in it since new but not all follow that rule.

Ford has extended the warranty right?

You are just full of all kinds of misinformation. Did you drink horse dewormer too?

 

[jamanrr]

Then how come it doesn't do it when you long crank the engine and build oil pressure? It is a rattle but mine doesn't do it except for a few seconds and honestly I saw 3 Raptors at the dealership and they all rattled till it warmed up a few seconds.

maybe I am mistaking cam phaser rattle for wastegate rattle

 

[Antho]

Then how come it doesn't do it when you long crank the engine and build oil pressure? It is a rattle but mine doesn't do it except for a few seconds and honestly I saw 3 Raptors at the dealership and they all rattled till it warmed up a few seconds.

maybe I am mistaking cam phaser rattle for wastegate rattle

You don’t understand the issue. I would read up on how cam phasers work then read what Ford‘s locking pin issue is.

 

[jamanrr]

You don’t understand the issue. I would read up on how cam phasers work then read what Ford‘s locking pin issue is.

NM, I am 99% sure what I am hearing is wastegate not the cam phasers as they make a deeper bass sound when they are clicking. The wastegate makes more of a tin sound clicking together. Makes sense.

I can not really tell the software update did anything really.

 

[Spectragod]

nobody could explain why given same truck, same year/trim , one truck gets it several times (even driven less miles) while the other never gets the rattle. It's not a consistent issue and doesnt follow any logical pattern.

A lot, in my opinion, has to do with aliens...just sayin'

 

[jamanrr]

Mine has relatively low miles, but yeah I get what you are saying. All of them rattle especially on the Gen 2 Raptors as the wastegates are literally inside the wheel wells with no insulation. Most Cam Phaser issues also have a series of fault codes ( No CEL) that comes along with them, generally from what the person who did my software recall update said.

 

[FordTechOne]

Yes they will because it is a system failure of not getting oil pressure where it needs to be. It is a design flaw inherent in the 3.5 liter motors across various models. The program upgrade did help mine but unless you are increasing pressure into those passages leading to the affected parts then there is no way to stop the excessive wear. They will fail eventually again.

but hey believe what you want.

Please do not spread misinformation. None of what you are saying is correct, there is no lack of oil pressure.

No engine has oil pressure to the top end on cold start. This is the entire point of the cam phaser locking mechanism; it keeps the phaser at base timing until full oil pressure is available. Every single VCT system works on this same principle regardless of brand.

The issue addressed in the TSB is accelerated locking pin wear, which was determined to be calibration related. For engines that already experienced a locking pin failure, upgraded parts were released with a redesigned locking pin mechanism in addition to the calibration update.

As mentioned, this has been discussed countless times on here. Conspiracy theories are not warranted.