by my math....this covid19 crap has kept 1,500 miles off my truck

[Denvertaco07]

what, i can't add or delete to my post as I chose fit, make corrections?

I'm editing this by adding this edit..OMG, the horror!!!

 

[melvimbe]

So, is that why there are climate change deniers, so they don't feel like hypocrites?

What Smurf said. Personally, I've never denied that pollution has a negative impact on the local environment, but never seen how this creates world devastation on epic scale. I also don't think economic considerations should be abandoned, as they have severe life impacts, as we can now all clearly see. I don't think we should be giving money to other countries for climate reasons. Any improvement in efficiency should be done at a pace that makes economic sense.

Are there other reasons to deny that the climate is changing, other than political ideology?

Yes, the history of such climate activist claims does not have a good track record historically.

There is a certain portion of the political spectrum that is denying COVID-19, calling it things like, "Fake News", maybe we should "Ride it like a Cowboy". Certain stores with a political ideology defying state stay at home orders, certain Universities with a clear political ideology defying stay at home etc. Guess which end of the spectrum.

One of the big problems with lying is that eventually, no one believes you, even when you happen to be telling the truth. And no, if you're trying to claim that right wing groups are solely denying stay at home orders, how do you explain New Orleans and Mardi Gras? Why is the virus seem to be hitting more liberal areas of the country rather than conservative hot spots?

Honestly, from what I've seen of those that are skeptical has been that they are following orders reluctantly, not wanting to be part of the problem, but rightly questioning whether all the precaution is necessary rather than blindly accepting, while also being rightly concerned that government will not relinquish control when the event is over.

 

[911 Crazy]

Enlighten yourself:

https://climate.nasa.gov/

NASA is not a media outlet, last I heard.

The Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and retreat, with the abrupt end of the last ice age about 11,700 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization. Most of these climate changes are attributed to very small variations in Earth’s orbit that change the amount of solar energy our planet receives.

The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia

- NASA

OK, so in your view who is to blame?

 

[Droid]

Left: Do everything possible regardless of cost. Ignore the fact that it diverts economic progress to China with 10x the environmental cost.

Right: It doesn't exist.

/thread

 

[Denvertaco07]

OK, so in your view who is to blame?

Human activity, as NASA and science says. So, maybe we can, as humans,, do some things differently, that is, if we believe in science. like, IDK, investing in renewable energy. There are many things we can try to do, if we believe in the science. Look, I hope those that believe it isn't real, we can't change it, it's all natural, or shouldn't change, or it's a "liberal" conspiracy, I hope they are right, the outcome of being wrong from that perspective, is that we have spent some more money doing renewable energy for example. The downside of being wrong from the perspective of science, is that, possibly, we don't exist anymore, so there's that.

Look, i'm no stranger to the right-wing majority of online car enthusiast forums, I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind here. Believe in science, or believe in Donald Trump, we all have choices.

Left: Do everything possible regardless of cost. Ignore the fact that it diverts economic progress to China with 10x the environmental cost.

Right: It doesn't exist.

/thread

Do more frequent, and more damaging weather events cost us anything?

 

[goblues38]

No $hit. Climate has been changing since the dinosaurs.

This has been my argument all along. The entire northern hemisphere was covered by ice 3 or 4 times in the last billion years. Did the cave men have SUV's and cause that global warming?????

We were taught in school about pangia and how the earths plates are moving all the time. Well no shit the coast line is going to change, it has been for a billion years.

Now these lefties say we dont listen to science and they want to do in 25 years what takes a billion naturally.

Talk about your science deniers.

 

[Droid]

Do more frequent, and more damaging weather events cost us anything?

Yes.

I think you might be misunderstanding my position here.

 

[Raptor911]

Everyone is to blame.

No doubt extreme changes in the climate is occurring. And to argue to what degree is just crazy talk.

And I know mankind is unable to stop it. When everyone is on the same page and admit we need to do something, it will be too late.

OK, so in your view who is to blame?

 

[911 Crazy]

Human activity, as NASA and science says. So, maybe we can, as humans,, do some things differently, that is, if we believe in science. like, IDK, investing in renewable energy. There are many things we can try to do, if we believe in the science. Look, I hope those that believe it isn't real, we can't change it, it's all natural, or shouldn't change, or it's a "liberal" conspiracy, I hope they are right, the outcome of being wrong from that perspective, is that we have spent some more money doing renewable energy for example. The downside of being wrong from the perspective of science, is that, possibly, we don't exist anymore, so there's that.

Look, i'm no stranger to the right-wing majority of online car enthusiast forums, I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind here. Believe in science, or believe in Donald Trump, we all have choices.



Do more frequent, and more damaging weather events cost us anything?

I do acknowledge that the climate is and has been changing forever. I just don't like the finger pointers (mostly liberals) who say the US is to blame for this when we have the most (or near) toughest pollution regulations on the planet. China is bigger than the US and is 10x or more worse than the US and no one says squat about it! And the 3rd world countries are the worst. Their vehicles billow black smoke, streets covered with trash and filth and pollute their rivers/streams/beaches worse than we ever could. We should either completely cut off aid to these countries unless we can be in charge of where the money goes and how it is spent. Bet it'd put a dent in their countries pollution if we could direct the funds to those causes and not into the pockets of the corrupt regimes that run these places. Throw a piece of trash in a river here and get caught and you end up with a $400 fine. You have only to look to the UN Council of Human Rights to see where some of the worst offenders lie. And the UN should be better at making these scum countries clean up instead of expecting us to pay for everything AND blaming us for everything.

 

[melvimbe]

NASA is not a media outlet, last I heard.

I stated that people were doubtful of the news regarding COVID because they've heard lies from the media. I said nothing about climate change in that context...plenty of other lies to point to.

Regardless, there is still plenty of the reason to be skeptical. As I stated previously, the science has been wrong before. Also not a good sign that every climate change plan seems to involve someone, often the person calling for the plan, to get richer.

I have no problem with conservation efforts in general, when the make sense.