by my math....this covid19 crap has kept 1,500 miles off my truck

[BaseRaptor]

Shanghai photo taken on February 22, 2020. Residents actually viewed blue skies thanks the Covid-19 shutdown. China relies on coal for about 60% of its power generation.




A typical day in the city

 

[Simplejack]

I do acknowledge that the climate is and has been changing forever. I just don't like the finger pointers (mostly liberals) who say the US is to blame for this when we have the most (or near) toughest pollution regulations on the planet. China is bigger than the US and is 10x or more worse than the US and no one says squat about it! And the 3rd world countries are the worst. Their vehicles billow black smoke, streets covered with trash and filth and pollute their rivers/streams/beaches worse than we ever could. We should either completely cut off aid to these countries unless we can be in charge of where the money goes and how it is spent. Bet it'd put a dent in their countries pollution if we could direct the funds to those causes and not into the pockets of the corrupt regimes that run these places. Throw a piece of trash in a river here and get caught and you end up with a $400 fine. You have only to look to the UN Council of Human Rights to see where some of the worst offenders lie. And the UN should be better at making these scum countries clean up instead of expecting us to pay for everything AND blaming us for everything.

Well F-ing said! My thoughts exactly. Been saing this exact thing for years.
Thank you.

 

[melvimbe]

Human activity, as NASA and science says. So, maybe we can, as humans,, do some things differently, that is, if we believe in science. like, IDK, investing in renewable energy.

Because that's not happening right now? Are you under the impression that Tesla came into existing without any help from the government? Or you just saying that whatever we are currently investing, it needs to be more. And once we've done that, do some more. Kind of like how the rich are never paying their fair share. They should always be paying more.

There are many things we can try to do, if we believe in the science. Look, I hope those that believe it isn't real, we can't change it, it's all natural, or shouldn't change, or it's a "liberal" conspiracy, I hope they are right, the outcome of being wrong from that perspective, is that we have spent some more money doing renewable energy for example. The downside of being wrong from the perspective of science, is that, possibly, we don't exist anymore, so there's that.

Exactly. You see no cost to following the liberal logic on climate change. Except there is a cost, and we can somewhat get an idea of those costs by looking at the current situation. It's hard to realize that many of the changes AOC said we needed to do to combat change are the exact same things we're currently having to do for COVID. Do you see the costs?

Maybe you were thinking we don't need to go to that extreme, but to many, if you don't go to the extreme, then we are all going to die. How much is enough to prevent us all from dying?

Look, i'm no stranger to the right-wing majority of online car enthusiast forums, I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind here. Believe in science, or believe in Donald Trump, we all have choices.

Right, because everyone believed in Climate Change before Donald Trump became President.

Do more frequent, and more damaging weather events cost us anything?

Are weather events more frequent and can they be directly tied to climate change caused by humans? How much more lives are saved because we have more tech and ways to deal with weather events...all made possibly by burning fossil fuels?

 

[911 Crazy]

Shanghai photo taken on a February 22nd. They actually saw blue skies thanks the Covid-19 shutdown. China relies on coal for about 60% of its power generation.

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A typical day in the city

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And there is my proof. I grew up in LA during the 60's and saw and breathed that everyday. Now LA looks more like the top picture.......plus the homeless, illegals and Dems buying votes.

 

[Droid]

As I stated previously, the science has been wrong before.

All science has been wrong before.

 

[Denvertaco07]

Because that's not happening right now? Are you under the impression that Tesla came into existing without any help from the government? Or you just saying that whatever we are currently investing, it needs to be more. And once we've done that, do some more. Kind of like how the rich are never paying their fair share. They should always be paying more.




Exactly. You see no cost to following the liberal logic on climate change. Except there is a cost, and we can somewhat get an idea of those costs by looking at the current situation. It's hard to realize that many of the changes AOC said we needed to do to combat change are the exact same things we're currently having to do for COVID. Do you see the costs?

Maybe you were thinking we don't need to go to that extreme, but to many, if you don't go to the extreme, then we are all going to die. How much is enough to prevent us all from dying?



Right, because everyone believed in Climate Change before Donald Trump became President.




Are weather events more frequent and can they be directly tied to climate change caused by humans? How much more lives are saved because we have more tech and ways to deal with weather events...all made possibly by burning fossil fuels?

The cost of not doing anything because we believe DT and those like him, is that we have to find another planet to live on, I wonder how much that will cost? I'd guess magnitudes on top of magnitudes above anything that the "libtards" are gonna cost you by investing in renewable energy.

And yes, many deny science before he is POTUS, but he is the leader of the folks who deny, so he is a good example of who some trust with their scientific "facts" other than actual science.

Ride it like a cowboy

 

[Denvertaco07]

All science has been wrong before.

When I went to my Doctor, he said there's a 95% probability that I'll die within 5 years if I don't stop smoking. Some dude with a microphone and podium told me that doctor's are libtards, so I keep smoking, I mean the chances that the doctor, who has spent much of his life studying and practicing his field is actually right only means that I die before turning 50, so it's worth it!

Oh, I forgot to say, because of the dire outcome (death) I decided to seek the opinion of 10,000 other doctors. 97% of them agreed with my doctor's prognosis, but I still believe the guy with the microphone and the podium, cuz..."libtards".

 

[Jakenbake]

When I went to my Doctor, he said there's a 95% probability that I'll die within 5 years if I don't stop smoking. Some dude with a microphone and podium told me that doctor's are libtards, so I keep smoking, I mean the chances that the doctor, who has spent much of his life studying and practicing his field is actually right only means that I die before turning 50, so it's worth it!

A counter to this point is that just because someone has professional certifications does not mean that they are their judgement is untouchable. Remember that C’s get degrees but also remember there are plenty of people who get straight A’s in school but unless someone takes an actual problem and state it as a homework problem or exam problem then they can’t solve it.

The term science denier seems a little strange though. I don’t envision that there is a large group of people who do not believe in science at all. I imagine it is more that they sometimes question what they are told when it seems to have some political motive behind it.

I wouldn’t suggest that we not listen to “science” or medical advice but I would advise to look at them through a critical eye. The best modeling software can be fouled, garbage in = garbage out.

Also remember the doctors make the worst patients.

 

[Denvertaco07]

The scientists themselves say their findings could be wrong, because they are scientists and have no political ideology behind their scientific methods and approaches. The fact that some folks disregard the findings of 95% probability by 97% of the scientific community agreeing on that probability (yes, i used those numbers on purpose, visit the NASA site) because it's a "******* conspiracy" is utterly (do I have to say it?), hence my little sarcastic story. If 9700 doctors of the 10,000 you visit, tell you to stop smoking cuz it's gonna kill you, I think most folks would stop smoking, even if all 9700 hundred of those urging you to stop smoking said "well, there's a small chance, a 5% chance, i could be wrong".

Look, I'll say it again, I hope the deniers are right. I would hope if a loved one of mine ignored the advice of 9700 out of 10000 doctors, that the 300 doctors who say, "Ahh...it's fine, smoke away", I would hope they are right too, but the MATH just doesn't work out that well for the smoker, and no political ideology is gonna save them.

 

[Droid]

When I went to my Doctor, he said there's a 95% probability that I'll die within 5 years if I don't stop smoking. Some dude with a microphone and podium told me that doctor's are libtards, so I keep smoking, I mean the chances that the doctor, who has spent much of his life studying and practicing his field is actually right only means that I die before turning 50, so it's worth it!

Oh, I forgot to say, because of the dire outcome (death) I decided to seek the opinion of 10,000 other doctors, 97% of them agreed with my doctor's prognosis, but I still believe the guy with the microphone and the podium, cuz..."libtards".

I think you might be misunderstanding me when I say "All science has been wrong before."

It's kind of how science works. For example, Isaac Newton was wrong. F does in fact not equal m*a. The point I'm making here is that scientific understanding expands over time. The argument of "science was wrong before" for dismissing advancements in science is absurd.

The right's denial of climate change is absurd. We can measure it, and we know it's us.

Some of the left's actions on climate change and other environmental policies have increased the cost of doing business here and contributed to it only being practical to offshore it. Now we get our stuff from factories in China where the air is brown and the law is what you can get away with and pay for. They send product over on container ships that burn heavy fuel oil, adding 3% to global CO2 emissions. And then they use their tax profits to build hundreds of coal plants in Africa with no-money-down and 50 year commitments: https://www.npr.org/2019/04/29/716347646/why-is-china-placing-a-global-bet-on-coal.

Cliff notes:
* Climate change is a critical problem.
* The right is being stupid about it.
* The left is being stupid about it.