Anyone see the Ford oil consumption warnings this week?

[Beinkounter]

You just need to calm down. You want to file for a lemon law because your vehicle needs a TSB? Ford identified the issue and released the service bulletin to fix the issue. It's not the end of the world!

Calm down? I can’t. I’ve been crying hysterically for the last two days!

just kidding. I am calm. And yes, if the issue isn’t fixed, and it burns 3 quarts of oil in 3k miles, you bet I will file for a lemon lawsuit, sorry if that offends you. That’s just how I roll when the price of the car is over $40k. For a $20k car I might be a bit more forgiving.

And no, I won't be checking the oil weekly either.

I still love the truck though, when it isn’t losing power and burning oil like gasoline

 

[Beinkounter]

This thread is a dumpster fire, started by a troll - sasquatch77.



You’re free to disagree with me as much as you like. I had exactly the same expectations when I bought my first new truck for a whopping $13.5k I was on my 2nd job out of high school, so it was a chunk of change for me. I have the same expectations of this truck. sometimes my expectations have been met, sometimes not. I want my new purchases to be trouble free, but reality usually tramples my expectations.

Oil checking is recommended in the owner’s manual under the regular maintenance section. Tire pressure is something we’re also supposed to check regularly and most of us just jump in the car / truck or whatever and drive. No walk around, no checking the lights, brakes or visual inspection. It’s this lackadaisical approach to piloting a multi-ton vehicle that get us mandatory vehicle safety inspections when some negligent alpha hotel plows into someone and seriously injures or kills them because they couldn’t be bothered to adequately upkeep their vehicle. compression checks aren’t routine maintenance, but gaskets, belts and similar should be.

It’s not like the sudden loss of power due to low oil is an unknown issue in the Ford owner’s community and sooner or later one of us is going to lose power trying to cross a highway or merge into traffic and not make it, causing a collision or worse.

We can know about this and dutifully check the oil to prevent it from sneaking up on us, or, we can rationalize not checking it and some day the truck will just leave you in the lurch because it doesn’t have enough oil. What if your family or friends are in the truck with you? It’s not like other manufacturers don’t have similar engine survival strategies built in, Ford isn’t unique in this.

We can agree to disagree about the interval we all need to be inspecting our vehicles for potential issues. My personal interval is substantially less than “10-15K miles”. I do hope that the drivers I share the road with also are more attentive to routine maintenance.

We'll have to agree to disagree. But on a side note "what if your family or friends are with you, and you get in an accident and die because you didn't listen to me"? is not an argument. It's called the Appeal to Emotion fallacy, aka the "what about the children" fallacy.

 

[TwizzleStix]

You’ll be hard pressed to win a lemon case unless the oil consumption is MORE than 1 quart per 1000 miles. If you do win, you’ll spend way more than it’s actually worth (not counting your personal satisfaction in “winning”) and it will be because you outlasted the OEM.

All said though, I think that anything over 1 quart consumed between 5k mile oil change intervals is too much.

 

[smurfslayer]

We'll have to agree to disagree. But on a side note "what if your family or friends are with you, and you get in an accident and die because you didn't listen to me"? is not an argument. It's called the Appeal to Emotion fallacy, aka the "what about the children" fallacy.

actually, I take exception to this. it was more meant to be an indictment of the principle that you can neglect a vehicle and expect everything to be fine and if it’s not fine, it’s someone else’s fault.

I have to share the public roads with ... well, the public which presumably includes you and people who have vehicle maintenance policy of ‘if it starts up it’s fine to drive’. I’ve done my due diligence, drove defensively and on my way home you and your neglected vehicle jump in front of mine with minimal room. In almost all circumstances, your truck has enough acceleration to make it, but, it faults on low oil, stalls and we collide.

Whose fault is that collision?

I don’t like sharing the road with careless drivers and that category includes people who don’t properly maintain their vehicles just as much as cell yakkers. Not checking the oil in the first 10-15 thousand miles in the context of knowing about this potential issue - which we all do, since we’re in this thread bickering, is carelessly operating a motor vehicle.

it’s not someone else’s fault.

 

[Beinkounter]

You’ll be hard pressed to win a lemon case unless the oil consumption is MORE than 1 quart per 1000 miles. If you do win, you’ll spend way more than it’s actually worth (not counting your personal satisfaction in “winning”) and it will be because you outlasted the OEM.

All said though, I think that anything over 1 quart consumed between 5k mile oil change intervals is too much.

Hopefully, after they replace the valve covers this will be a moot point and the problem will be solved. But I've prevailed in a lemon law dispute before for oil consumption that was far less than 1 quart per 1000 miles. It was on a 2007 GMC Yukon, but as opposed to Ford's approach of acknowledging the problem and offering a fix, GM stalled and tried to argue it was "within specs".

Here is the definition:

"Within the Song-Beverly Act, there is a presumption guideline wherein it is presumed that a vehicle is a “lemon” if the following criteria are met within 18 months of delivery to the buyer or lessee or 18,000 miles on the vehicle’s odometer, whichever comes first, one or more of the following occurs:

1. The manufacturer or its agents have made two or more attempts to repair a warranty problem that results in a condition that is likely to cause death or serious bodily injury if the vehicle is driven (Refer to Smurfslayer's comment above!). OR

2. The manufacturer or its agents have made four or more attempts to repair the same warranty problem. If required by the warranty materials or by the owner’s manual, the consumer must directly notify the manufacturer about the problem(s), preferably in writing. The notice must be sent to the address shown in the warranty or owner’s manual (for 1 and 2 above). OR

3. The vehicle has been out of service for more than 30 days (not necessarily consecutively) while being repaired for any number of warranty problems and the problems must be covered by the warranty, substantially reduce the vehicle’s use, value, or safety to the consumer and are not caused by abuse of the vehicle."


But again, it seems from all the other posts in this thread that folks were able to get this fixed and trucks were fine afterwards, so I am hopeful this will pass.

 

[FordTechOne]

You’ll be hard pressed to win a lemon case unless the oil consumption is MORE than 1 quart per 1000 miles. If you do win, you’ll spend way more than it’s actually worth (not counting your personal satisfaction in “winning”) and it will be because you outlasted the OEM.

All said though, I think that anything over 1 quart consumed between 5k mile oil change intervals is too much.

I agree with your comments.

Unfortunately, California (commiefornia) is a breeding ground for litigation and ambulance chasing lawyers who will allege everything and anything to win a payday. Although the manufacturer's warranty responsibilities are clearly outlined in the Owner's Guide per Federal law, California takes it upon themselves to essentially say that any vehicle that needs any repair - regardless of age or mileage - can be considered a "lemon". I have seen these laws applied to vehicles with 300,000 miles because an owner (and their low life lawyer) claimed that they had to spend too much in repairs over the course of the vehicle's life. It's disgusting. Yes, I lived there once. No, never again.

 

[jeanco]

From manual

You can drive high performance vehicle sin such a way that may lead to higher oil consumption this includes extended time at high engine speeds, high loads, engine braking, hard cornering maneuvers, track and off-road usage. Under these conditions, oil consumption of approximately 1 quart per 500 miles (1 liter per 800 km) is possible. As a result, you need to check the engine oil level at every refueling and adjust to maintain proper levels to avoid engine damage.

 

[Beinkounter]

I agree with your comments.

Unfortunately, California (commiefornia) is a breeding ground for litigation and ambulance chasing lawyers who will allege everything and anything to win a payday. Although the manufacturer's warranty responsibilities are clearly outlined in the Owner's Guide per Federal law, California takes it upon themselves to essentially say that any vehicle that needs any repair - regardless of age or mileage - can be considered a "lemon". I have seen these laws applied to vehicles with 300,000 miles because an owner (and their low life lawyer) claimed that they had to spend too much in repairs over the course of the vehicle's life. It's disgusting. Yes, I lived there once. No, never again.

You know, a broken clock is right twice a day (referring to Commiefornia). In this case I agree with the commies on that one. If Tesla can put out a car that doesn't require any oil at all, then Ford can manufacture a car that doesn't burn oil. Most European and Japanese automakers have figured out how to do it.

 

[FordTechOne]

You know, a broken clock is right twice a day (referring to Commiefornia). In this case I agree with the commies on that one. If Tesla can put out a car that doesn't require any oil at all, then Ford can manufacture a car that doesn't burn oil. Most European and Japanese automakers have figured out how to do it.

The least of Tesla's problems is oil burning. They are consistently ranked as one of the least reliable/most problematic/most expensive to repair brands on the market.

Perhaps you aren't familiar with the auto industry in general, but German brands are notorious for severe oil consumption issues, especially VW and BMW. There are countless TSBs, recalls, and class action lawsuits due to excessive oil consumption that were in most cases never resolved by the manufacturer. As per Japanese culture, oil consumption issues on their products are ignored regardless of the severity of the issue until they are forced by a government agency to issue a recall. Toyota covered up their 2.4 (2AZ-FE) engine oil consumption issues for over 10 years until the lawsuits and the corresponding NHTSA investigation forced them to address it. Owners got essentially nothing more than an oil change coupon.

Ford identified the oil consumption issue on 3.5 Ecoboost as quickly as possible given the circumstances and issued a TSB with revised parts. That is the best you can hope for from any manufacturer; owning up to the issue and addressing it within warranty.

 

[TwizzleStix]

Yep, people just don’t know how much they don’t know and assume they know “everything” and that their “perspective” is correct...