Anyone heard any V8 ecoboost rumors

[Truckzor]

OHV NA motor is more efficient in Highway, and some driving scenarios. But Ford builds vehicles to meet the EPA fuel mileage test specifications...and the ecoboost technology is made to get the best fuel mileage under the blanket of EPA testing that is done vs a NA motor.

GM has been anti boosted motors in trucks too...they have a small motor (going to shock everyone) going into the new Silverado/Sierra.

FCA is doing the same thing with there 2.0l turbo. the Big 3 are trying to replace V8s with V6s, and V6s are being replaced with I4 turbo setups. Ford doesnt offer a V6 any longer in the Fusion only 3 I4s.

The 2009-10 F150 had 3 V8 options
The 2011-14 F150 Had 2 V8s options 2 V6 options
The 2015-19 F150 Has 1 V8 option 3 V6 options

There seems to be a trend here.

The 2007-13 Silverados had 3 V8 options
The 2014-18 Silverados Have 2 V8 options and a V6 option
The 18.5 Silverado will be a surprise

Obviously, it would be hard to argue that there isn't such a trend both in the specific examples you cited and across the industry. I do appreciate that you acknowledged the EPA testing is less than realistic. I had hoped that when VW got in trouble it would cause a shake up in the testing methodologies that would require more realistic testing.

I also personally would love to see an undersquare 4.0 liter V8 EB engine. In an eco mode that would bleed off boost, you'd still have plenty of grunt and would be getting some pretty solid fuel economy. Truck could be driven like that in most scenarios. And then under full boost, it would be a monster.

Anyway, the V8 ain't dead yet. Long may she live.

 

[hkguns]

OHV NA motor is more efficient in Highway, and some driving scenarios. But Ford builds vehicles to meet the EPA fuel mileage test specifications...and the ecoboost technology is made to get the best fuel mileage under the blanket of EPA testing that is done vs a NA motor.

GM has been anti boosted motors in trucks too...they have a small motor (going to shock everyone) going into the new Silverado/Sierra.

FCA is doing the same thing with there 2.0l turbo. the Big 3 are trying to replace V8s with V6s, and V6s are being replaced with I4 turbo setups. Ford doesnt offer a V6 any longer in the Fusion only 3 I4s.

The 2009-10 F150 had 3 V8 options
The 2011-14 F150 Had 2 V8s options 2 V6 options
The 2015-19 F150 Has 1 V8 option 3 V6 options

There seems to be a trend here.

The 2007-13 Silverados had 3 V8 options
The 2014-18 Silverados Have 2 V8 options and a V6 option
The 18.5 Silverado will be a surprise

Ford is 5 years ahead of GM and Fiat (Chrysler) and most seem to not understand this fact. Ford fixed its issues while the other two went bankrupt. While they were messing around with bankruptcy, Ford was developing technology.

GM and Fiat will get there eventually, assuming Fiat survives, which isn't likely in its present form.

But you're making too much sense for this place. You need to be talking sound and rumor and I heard this on the internet. What are these cats going to do when they can no longer buy a V8 for a 1/2 ton?

Try not to let life pass you buy...........

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Who is actually forcing you to click on said threads that you supposedly get tired of?

That isn't the point now is it? He could have answered his own question by doing just a tiny bit of reading. Its called being stupid and wanting to be spoon fed. There are well run forums, run by adults, who lock threads like this that serve to only take up disk space and bandwidth. This is annoying and frankly bad manners. Anything else?

 

[byz250f]

Obviously, it would be hard to argue that there isn't such a trend both in the specific examples you cited and across the industry. I do appreciate that you acknowledged the EPA testing is less than realistic. I had hoped that when VW got in trouble it would cause a shake up in the testing methodologies that would require more realistic testing.

I also personally would love to see an undersquare 4.0 liter V8 EB engine. In an eco mode that would bleed off boost, you'd still have plenty of grunt and would be getting some pretty solid fuel economy. Truck could be driven like that in most scenarios. And then under full boost, it would be a monster.

Anyway, the V8 ain't dead yet. Long may she live.

I have met with the EPA on many occasions at meetings and told them how confident do they feel the current EPA fuel mileage tests are compared to real life scenarios. They know there is a gap but the cost associated with making a change that is more realistic to how we drive is not in the budget. They all want this change but the current administration doesn't want to invest in the EPA. Thats a discussion for another topic. Im not a fan of the EPA requirements for NOX, and PM for gas or diesel but I do feel there heart is in the right place with trying to get more realistic driving conditions test.

The VW Dieselgate did cause quite a stir and has halted production on the Ecodiesel for almost 9 months now (no 2017 Ram, or Jeep Ecodiesels produced). But they are now going over the top and holding FCA to standards that were not agreed upon when developing powertrains.

A small V8 with a small turbo would be a good option, but the industry seems to think a V6 with a larger turbo is a better option. This could all change if the EPA changed the regulations on Fuel mileage for the highway loop testing. My 2017 Raptor can get 15-16mpg in the city but 14mpg on the highway...lol Seems backwards to me.

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Ford is looking a Eco mode that has some creative waste gate management. If they can get this figured out the Ecoboost motors could do well on the highway for fuel mileage.

My 16 ram with a 5.7l hemi and 8sp would get 19-21mpg at 77-80mph on the highway. My Brothers 17 Denali with 6.2l and 8sp will get similar mileage. Take a Ecoboost and you will get 15-17mpg at those speeds. 17 Raptor will get 13.5-15.5mpg at 80mph depending on terrain and wind.

 

[Truckzor]

I have met with the EPA on many occasions at meetings and told them how confident do they feel the current EPA fuel mileage tests are compared to real life scenarios. They know there is a gap but the cost associated with making a change that is more realistic to how we drive is not in the budget. They all want this change but the current administration doesn't want to invest in the EPA. Thats a discussion for another topic. Im not a fan of the EPA requirements for NOX, and PM for gas or diesel but I do feel there heart is in the right place with trying to get more realistic driving conditions test.

The VW Dieselgate did cause quite a stir and has halted production on the Ecodiesel for almost 9 months now (no 2017 Ram, or Jeep Ecodiesels produced). But they are now going over the top and holding FCA to standards that were not agreed upon when developing powertrains.

A small V8 with a small turbo would be a good option, but the industry seems to think a V6 with a larger turbo is a better option. This could all change if the EPA changed the regulations on Fuel mileage for the highway loop testing. My 2017 Raptor can get 15-16mpg in the city but 14mpg on the highway...lol Seems backwards to me.

That's interesting about your conversations with the EPA. Thanks for sharing. I would actually be interested to hear more about how you think Trump will play into all this.

I'm sure the decision to put money into the V6 platform has a lot to do with packaging. It can simply be used in a lot more applications, where a DOHC V8 with a turbo(s) would not be possible or practical. It sucks (to me, I get that a lot of you guys don't care) that the F150 has to suffer with what I view as a less than ideal truck motor, but it is what it is at this point.

 

[byz250f]

Ford is 5 years ahead of GM and Fiat (Chrysler) and most seem to not understand this fact. Ford fixed its issues while the other two went bankrupt. While they were messing around with bankruptcy, Ford was developing technology.

GM and Fiat will get there eventually, assuming Fiat survives, which isn't likely in its present form.

But you're making too much sense for this place. You need to be talking sound and rumor and I heard this on the internet. What are these cats going to do when they can no longer buy a V8 for a 1/2 ton?

Try not to let life pass you buy...........

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That isn't the point now is it? He could have answered his own question by doing just a tiny bit of reading. Its called being stupid and wanting to be spoon fed. There are well run forums, run by adults, who lock threads like this that serve to only take up disk space and bandwidth. This is annoying and frankly bad manners. Anything else?

your right there...Ford was way ahead of GM and FCA on the 1.5l/1.6l/2.0l/3.5L/2.7l GTDI technology in 2010. GM finally came out with theres in 2013. FCA still doesnt have a 2.0l...next year this time they will.

FCA did hit home runs though in 2011 when they teamed up with ZF with there 8sp trans. Those trans are awesome. I wish my raptor had that in it. Very reliable, and great shifting. I have had 3 of them now and love how they perform.

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That's interesting about your conversations with the EPA. Thanks for sharing. I would actually be interested to hear more about how you think Trump will play into all this.

I'm sure the decision to put money into the V6 platform has a lot to do with packaging. It can simply be used in a lot more applications, where a DOHC V8 with a turbo(s) would not be possible or practical. It sucks (to me, I get that a lot of you guys don't care) that the F150 has to suffer with what I view as a less than ideal truck motor, but it is what it is at this point.

Im not going to get into a political discussion on who is better....but

I voted for trump, but I am concerned with his views on some things. He doesn't want to invest in things that will end up giving him a better investment in the long run....IE (EPA). I'm hoping some Lefties can change his mind on this.

Having high fuel mileage targets, and extremely hard green house gas requirements are the best thing for the US....why you ask? Its simple supply and demand. The more the US invests in high fuel mileage targets (Hybrids, and electric), the more it puts pressure on the O&G industry to keep prices low.

Mark my word if Trump drops the fuel mileage requirements down from Obamas standards for 2025 you can guarantee fuel prices will go up for the country. I wasn't a big fan of BO either.

 

[Truckzor]

The more the US invests in high fuel mileage targets (Hybrids, and electric), the more it puts pressure on the O&G industry to keep prices low.

Mark my word if Trump drops the fuel mileage requirements down from Obamas standards for 2025 you can guarantee fuel prices will go up for the country. I wasn't a big fan of BO either.

I'd prefer to encourage more domestic production to keep gas prices low, gas mileage be damned. I do reluctantly agree that the fuel mileage targets are a good thing for the country, though. Also will help us achieve energy independence.

What are these cats going to do when they can no longer buy a V8 for a 1/2 ton?

Try not to let life pass you buy...........

I just don't think that's coming anytime soon. And if it does, I guess I'll move up in the world and look at building an F250R using the forthcoming dual overhead cam 7.0 liter V8.

 

[pjones]

What the **** is going on here? You guys are talking like reasonable adults. I have be in the wrong forum.

 

[byz250f]

I'd prefer to encourage more domestic production to keep gas prices low, gas mileage be damned. I do reluctantly agree that the fuel mileage targets are a good thing for the country, though. Also will help us achieve energy independence.



I just don't think that's coming anytime soon. And if it does, I guess I'll move up in the world and look at building an F250R using the forthcoming dual overhead cam 7.0 liter V8.

I would take a F250r with a diesel all day over the new raptor IF it was as capable in a dune scenario or as a Raptor. I have thought many times of building a Duramax prerunner but I just didnt want to spend the money.

 

[dude1782]

I think F250R just slaps on some fiberglass and a cheap lift to make it look like a raptor but not perform like one. The super duty that rogue put together for sema looked pretty nice.

 

[xxaarraa]

Lot of chatter and conjecture in this thread that's not very useful. People forget it's a pendulum. Remember the mid-late 80s? Pendulum was swinging the same way it's swinging now - move to smaller turbo motors. Hell even Ferrari was boosting their motors at that time, as they are now, again. Pendulum is likely to swing back once N/A technology improves by a few magnitudes compared to present day.

Regardless of which way the pendulum is going, people do what they always did. Buy the fastest and most efficient motors. Regardless of some asinine or philosophical allegiance to number of cylinders or architecture, give me the best motor for the job, regardless of what's in it.

F150/Raptor/Truck guys pretending to be intake/exhaust connoisseur cracks me up. It is likely (unless you have other exotics sitting in your garage also) you have no clue what a really good motor sounds like, if just an American V8 is your baseline. So the Gen 2 shift from the V8 to the hairdryer V6 shouldn't bother anyone, you aren't losing much to begin with.