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This is the article from the October issue of 4Wheel & Offroad that I found. I remember the article that you linked Dan from way back in '04 or '05 because I read this magazine. All I can tell you is they've changed the date. And remember these guys test them for a day so they can't really verify strength and durability claims. I personally believe the Goodyear is all marketing hype with that kevlar bull****. Didn't know they've changed the BFG since I got mine.

Mud Terrain Truck Tire Test - Putting Mini M-Ts To The Test
Mud-Terrain Shootout
From the October, 2009 issue of 4Wheel & Off-Road
By Ali Mansour
Photography by Alan Huber, Ali Mansour
What's the best mud tire for my 4x4?" It's a question we're often asked, yet there's no clear-cut answer. While purchasing a set of mega-mudders for your trail toy is a big investment, we find that most wheelers have a tougher time deciding which is the best mud terrain for their modest daily drivers and weekend wheelers.

To give you a clue on what to look for and what we found to be great tires, we put together a tire shootout using five of the most prominent 33x12.50 mud-terrains on the market. Our parameters included: (1) a price around $200 each at the time of the story; (2) tires must be available for 15-inch wheels; and (3) radials were preferred since we considered these tires great candidates for everyday use.

Another important factor to consider was the vehicle or vehicles we should use to test the tires. If we went out to the pit with a super-high-horsepower rig equipped with every wiz-bang gadget, would we really be testing the tires? Of course not, so instead of bulletproof, we opted for budget prone.

Using a '97 Jeep Wrangler equipped with a tired four-cylinder engine, five-speed transmission, and 4.88 differential gears, we teamed the creampuff TJ with a '47 Willys flatfender equipped with a carbureted Chevy 4.3L V-6, automatic transmission, and 5.38 gears. To ensure that all the mud-terrains had a biting chance, both Jeeps were equipped with lunchbox lockers (Lock-Rights).

Behind the wheel of the TJ was Feature Editor Ali Mansour, while Editor-in-Chief Rick Pewe sat at the helm of the classic flattie. The two drivers not only had different vehicle configurations, but also different experience levels and driving styles. This driver and vehicle dynamic created two very distinct perspectives, thus equating to a well-rounded tire evaluation.

For the mud pit we headed up to the central coast of California and had the experienced employees of the Hollister Hills SVRA build us a fresh and challenging mud pit. During the test we ran all of the 33-inch tires on both Jeeps, using the same 15x8 Pro Comp Xtreme Alloy wheels, and placed the air pressure at 24 psi for all of the competitors. This was a mud tire test, not a vehicle engine dynamics laboratory, and we admit that it was far from a perfect scientific evaluation. Instead of breaking out calculators, we relied on rev limiters, driving technique, and forward progress to help us determine which of these five tires pulled the best in the fresh muck and sticky clay.

Did we find out which one worked best? We think so. We ranked the tires in order of which one we thought excelled. For the record, we only tested the tires in the mud, since that was our focus. For that reason we concentrated on each tire's mud performance. So who prevailed as king of the pit? Read on to find out.


Rubber Runners-Up


BFGoodrich Mud-Terrain T/AKM
The BFG M-T came into the test as the veteran of the group. We hoped that the original KM, which has been succeeded by the KM2, would maintain its place in the Goodrich family. The BFG appeared to have the narrowest footprint, but that didn't seem to hinder its performance. While low speeds made it a tad more difficult for the tires to clean themselves, a few hits off the rev limiter and the radial M-Ts began propelling the goo. Sawing the wheel helped a bit, but the lack of side bite seemed to kill the momentum once the tires were packed. For a radial mud-terrain it had nicely sized lugs and tread voids. Overall, the legendary M-T worked well as long as you kept up the rpm and stayed out of the super-sticky stuff.

Specs
Size: 33x12.50x15
Load Range: C
Tread Depth (in): 21/32


Source
BFGoodrich Tires
www.bfgoodrichtires.com


Goodyear wrangler MT/R
The completely redesigned MT/R arrived with a more staggered and spaced tread pattern than previous models, and we were all anxious to see it in action. With beefy bulletproof Kevlar sidewalls, these skins may have been the toughest in the test. The larger spacing between the outer lugs helped to move the Jeeps along at the start of the pit, but once the tires got plugged and in the thick of it, they simply couldn't cut through the muck as well as the others. Though sawing the wheel and high revs helped a little, once they were packed it was time to get pulled out. Overall, the tire performed well, and for loose or mildly muddy trails we think they would work fine.

Specs
Size: 33x12.50x15
Load Range: C
Tread Depth (in): 19/32


Source
Goodyear Tires
www.goodyeartires.com


Maxxis MT-762 Bighorn
If there was a sleeper in the pack, the Maxxis Bighorn was it. The aggressive pattern could be felt instantly, as the tires did a great job of chewing through the mud. Tread clearing was decent at low speeds and excellent once you reached higher rpm. Definitely one of the most aggressive tires in the group. We enjoyed the consistent performance throughout the pit. Where to rank the Bighorn was a tough call, but the side bite of our Second Place participant just edged it out.

Specs
Size: 33x12.50x15
Load Range: C
Tread Depth (in): 21/32


Source
Maxxis
www.maxxis.com


Pro Comp Xtreme Mud-Terrain
To call a tire a mud-terrain is one thing, but if you throw the word extreme into the mix (or Xtreme, as they spell it) it better excel. Though we've had experience with the larger versions on the Xtreme Mud-Terrain, this was our first time with the smaller units. Luckily for us and Pro Comp, the Xtreme M-T handled the pit like a pro. Whether it was romping at low or high speeds, the tires cleaned out with ease. Throughout each end of the pit the tires continued to perform consistently and maintained a steady pull, and with a little sawing action of the wheel the functional sidewall tread bit in and kept moving. The Pro Comp was a pleasant surprise and a tire that is clearly designed with mud performance in mind.

Specs
Size: 33x12.50x15
Load Range: C
Tread Depth (in): 20.5/32


Source
Pro Comp Tires
www.procomptires.com


King Of The Pit


Interco trxus Radial Mud-Terrain
Interco prides itself on creating some of the largest and most mud-dominating tires on the market. So when the Trxus radial mud-terrain showed up for battle, it had a lot to live up to. It's difficult to pick a winner in test like this, especially when all of the competitors performed well. But to say that the Trxus is just another radial mud-terrain would be far from the truth. Throughout the entire mud-romping shootout, the Trxus performed excellently. They had no problems cleaning out their tread at both low and high speeds. When the Jeeps did get slowed down by the muck, a few saws of the wheel and the aggressive side cleats dug in and kept the vehicle moving. Though we can't speak for how they would perform anywhere else, they would most definitely be our choice of tire if we were stranded on a mud-covered island.

Specs
Size: 33x12.50x15
Load Range: C
Tread Depth (in): 19/32


Source
Interco Tire
www.intercotire.com


Test Notes
While we all know that not all mud tires are created equal, we did our best to ensure that each tire got a fair shake. Each set entered the pit multiple times, and between passes we would accelerate on the hard-packed dirt to see how well they cleaned up outside of the wet dirt. From dead-stop attempts in the deeper slop to a little experimenting in two-wheel-drive only, we feel we put the tires through their muddy paces, and we stand by our rankings.

Rankings
1. Interco Trxus Radial Mud-Terrain
2. Pro Comp Xtreme Mud-Terrain
3. Maxxis Bighorn
4. BFGoodrich Mud-Terrain
5. Goodyear Wrangler MT/R
 

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Great stuff fellas! Maybe this thread was overdue. By the way, since I have TOTALLY jacked this thread, I am working on making a new home for it an moving it there. So please, if you are so inclined chime in.

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so this is what I got from this thread:

The 6.2 is better because it makes more power giving Ford the ability to sell the 6.2 Raptors with BFG MT's but only in the desert where the MTs will be in their element carving dunes??? I still haven't got Falcon to confirm if he has a 6.2 '07 xlt or if he has a 5.4 on order??? Was that in this thread??? I'm so confused???
 

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And to re-cap, here's what I got out of this thread:

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Now we need to copy all of this into a new thread on MUD TIRES in this forum. If you (Dave) start it, I'll re-post my stuff there so people can find it otherwise it will never be found in a 6.2 review thread :)

OK, soon as BigJ fixes the problem I am having starting a thread. Thanks!

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so this is what I got from this thread:

The 6.2 is better because it makes more power giving Ford the ability to sell the 6.2 Raptors with BFG MT's but only in the desert where the MTs will be in their element carving dunes??? I still haven't got Falcon to confirm if he has a 6.2 '07 xlt or if he has a 5.4 on order??? Was that in this thread??? I'm so confused???

Sorry Brian, I must have missed something. I have a Black 2001 XLT, 5.4L with 144,000 hard miles on it.

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On Jan 19th 2010 I ordered a Black Raptor with a 5.4L engine. On the 20th I changed my order to a 6.2L, only because I was raised that 'there is no substitute for Cubic Inches' and because I thought it would hold it's resale value better with the bigger motor. And honestly, because since I was 16 I have dreamed of owning a Boss engine. Everybody has a dream car, and my first was a buddy's blue with black stripe Boss 302 Mustang.

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Sorry for any confusion.


But if anybody is confused, it's gotta be me. I have read and re-read every post that I have made on this board: http://tinyurl.com/286nyjd .

Nowhere in any of those posts can I find any statement by me that is putting down the 5.4 or saying that the 6.2 is better. The closest I can find is a post where I clipped a box out of an magazine article that said the Raptor was designed with the 6.2 in mind. Yet I appear to have started a battle between the 5.4 and the 6.2 guys.

I feel strongly that this forum should be self-regulating... and anytime arguments pop up, as they ALWAYS will... we have to reel our emotions back in ourselves, and failing that, the other members should point out that this forum is not about arguing about anything and present a united front. It's about discussion back and forth between Raptor owners. Sometimes you just have to agree to disagree.

Those of us that came from the "other" Raptor board know just how quickly the wrong attitudes can kill a forum. It ain't gonna happen here... at least, not with me as a part of the problem.

So I am making the first step... I will no longer voice an opinion on which is the better motor. I have my opinion, and of course I feel it is based in fact... but others think differently. So be it. I would rather spend my time talking about mods, or picking the brains of the Ford Master Mechanics that we are lucky to have. And that is what I am going to do.

For anyone that didn't catch all this, here is a collection of posts below that outlines the life of this topic. From beginning, to end.

Just glad to be here and be a Ford Raptor owner!

Falcon



You can read this if you want. It is only here because I like to have references to anything that I say. If you aren't interested in this topic, feel free to not read it.

I believe the issue started here:

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6.2+5.4 How to externally tell the difference.

There is a way to tell the difference between a 6.2L and a 5.4L, from the outside.

Anyone care to guess?


Apparently, my response (which I thought was rather witty) was the start of the whole deal:

http://tinyurl.com/3yo6mgw

The Big-ass smile on the drivers face??? <G>
:racing:
Falcon

Here are the responses I got to my witty statement:

http://tinyurl.com/3xnaq64
http://tinyurl.com/3yaz8yv


In response to those posts, I simply posted a graphic from a magazine article explaining why the Raptor was released with the 5.4:

http://tinyurl.com/2w4g7bw

The response was varied. Interestingly, most people were trying to defuse argument and dilute the bitterness that was popping up.

http://tinyurl.com/26xsplm
http://tinyurl.com/28eorr2
http://tinyurl.com/27zh4k4

Including the Administrator

http://tinyurl.com/2g9vkxq

There are more posts, but that pretty well outlines it, at least from my point of view. I don't pretend to understand why it happened, only that it serves no valid purpose. I think it is a interesting study in board dynamics... and human psychology. But we have far better things to talk about than this.

Falcon





 

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Falcon I think you are taking this way more seriously than anyone else...

I for instance also think the 6.2 is better... just not 2200 better (the markup I would have paid) and definitely not 3000 better. Am I right... well yes of course I am right... I am always right (*winkz*), still people are entitled to their opinions though and for some people the extra money is worth it... I mean I guess it comes down to priorities: I mainly bought the truck for the suspension tires and 4x4 system. I honestly could care less about the motor so long as it is adequate. If someone else bought the truck to have the biggest baddest 150/1500 out there... well good... get the 6.2... if you need that extra bit of power to steer the rear end whilst blasting at high speeds accross the sand.... great... I do not have access to that kind of terrain or maybe I would have seen the need for it too...

Of course this goes further... it you need MT tires because you live or work or play in an area that is very muddy when it is wet (like me) and where it is often wet (not like me) then get you some mud terrains... If you need another couple of inches of clearance to make those mud terrains work then get you a leveling kit... it is ridiculous to say that Ford put a bunch of time into engineering a dessert suspension and that the lift will ruin its pre-running ability if you are not ever going to pre-run... if you are going rock crawling or mud slinging the raptor is fairly capable stock and far more capable with a couple of tweaks... I mean what is next... if I want to put in a nice stereo are you going to ask why I bought a Raptor not a Hyundai Genesis? (one of the best factory radios available in the world is in that car)... by your truck... mod it like you want.. have fun with it... just do not complain if it does not behave like factory once you have modded it, and unless someone is making that complaint do not clown them for their choices.
 

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Thanks Mate, I don't know why I couldn't start the thread. Hope it isn't a sign <GG>. I have absolutely zero idea on how to move all the posts to it, I don't think we have the power to do it.

Falcon

on the first part... dunno

On the second part... you cannot. Need an admin or mod to do it for you.
 
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