7.0 Liter

[MGD]

My buddy in Michigan came down to Dallas for a business trip a couple months back. He is a hardcore Dodge guy. Has a RAM of some sort and his wife has a pimped out Jeep. Not my thing but whatever you like. Anyway, while he was in town we went on a Quail hunt and I drove. He had never been in a Raptor. Long story short he went went home and started the search for a Raptor. I helped him and he landed on a gently used loaded 2013. Converted a lifelong Dodge guy lol. He bought it from a Ford dealership as I suggested because it was certified with a great warranty. The Ford rep told him 2019 Raptor was going to be a 7.0 liter.

True or not sales reps across the country are telling this to customers.


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Thanks - gives hope to the masses waiting for a proper v8 Raptor to debut.

 

[df4801]

Thanks - gives hope to the masses waiting for a proper v8 Raptor to debut.

Is this the "new" engine you were referring to back in late 2016/ early 2017 when you were advising people to wait for the new option?

 

[torrin]

Is this the "new" engine you were referring to back in late 2016/ early 2017 when you were advising people to wait for the new option?

Ya, that one - the 2017.5/2018/2018.5/2019 V8 promised by MGD.. All smells the same out of his mouth....(or fingers as it were)

 

[Bhollier]

My question to everyone that believes this BS, why would you want a bigger heavier power plant in the Raptor. The current power plant gets a lot of power out of a small and light weight package. When manufacturers go into designing high performance vehicles they look and the true usage of them and what works best. In the case of the Raptor it would be Offroad racing capabilities. The current power plant delivers a lot of power with less weight. That gives them the ability to build a lighter vehicle with less weight, power to weight ratio. This is why the newer model will out perfume the previous model both on and Offroad.

If you are to change the power plant to the bulky 7.0 L like you are claiming the chassis and suspension would also need to be redesigned in order to give the same on and Offroad capabilities making it a much heavier vehicle. In today’s world manufactuers are going away from this. The ones that aren’t are fading out. If what the purpose of the Raptor is would be for Offroad performance you wouldn’t want an engine out of a dragster. Yes it has loads of power but would handle like shit Offroad due to the weight distribution and overall weight of the vehicle.

 

[smoothie]

My question to everyone that believes this BS, why would you want a bigger heavier power plant in the Raptor. The current power plant gets a lot of power out of a small and light weight package. When manufacturers go into designing high performance vehicles they look and the true usage of them and what works best. In the case of the Raptor it would be Offroad racing capabilities. The current power plant delivers a lot of power with less weight. That gives them the ability to build a lighter vehicle with less weight, power to weight ratio. This is why the newer model will out perfume the previous model both on and Offroad.

If you are to change the power plant to the bulky 7.0 L like you are claiming the chassis and suspension would also need to be redesigned in order to give the same on and Offroad capabilities making it a much heavier vehicle. In today’s world manufactuers are going away from this. The ones that aren’t are fading out. If what the purpose of the Raptor is would be for Offroad performance you wouldn’t want an engine out of a dragster. Yes it has loads of power but would handle like shit Offroad due to the weight distribution and overall weight of the vehicle.

The Gen 1 had a big 6.2L V8 and seemed pretty capable off-road? Ram is talking about releasing a hellcat powered TRX?

 

[Truckzor]

They'll probably go with an iron block given that these engines will be built to last but if the 7.0 has an aluminum block the weight difference would most likely be minimal compared to the EB.

 

[jaz13]

The Gen 1 had a big 6.2L V8 and seemed pretty capable off-road? Ram is talking about releasing a hellcat powered TRX?

Are you really suggesting Ford be more like Chrysler??? If Ford goes that route, I'll be thankful I got a 2017.

 

[Bhollier]

The Gen 1 had a big 6.2L V8 and seemed pretty capable off-road? Ram is talking about releasing a hellcat powered TRX?

I never said the GEN1 wasn’t, what I said is the GEN2 is improved. And if you want to compare Ram to the Raptor the only place it will beat the raptor is a drag race. Dodge vehicles are **** poor at handling but are great at drag racing. Not really my thing but to each his own.

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They'll probably go with an iron block given that these engines will be built to last but if the 7.0 has an aluminum block the weight difference would most likely be minimal compared to the EB.

I agree with you on that, however you have to consider all the other components to the vehicle that would need to be upgraded, fuel delivery, fuel tank, suspension, power boosting (supercharger or turbo), high volume inter cooler, etc. when you add it all up it comes out to extra weight and less control in a truck. Would be counter productive. This is what the design engineers take into account when designing vehicles. Not to mention the cost associated with each. You could have a very high proformance Offroad vehicle but at what cost, $100k plus. Where would they market it?

One thing I would like to see eventually is an independent rear drive train. Would be interesting Offroad and handle very well.

 

[jabroni619]

The Gen 1 had a big 6.2L V8 and seemed pretty capable off-road? Ram is talking about releasing a hellcat powered TRX?

He didn't say Gen 1 wasn't capable. He said Gen 2 was better both on and off-road, which it is. Weight is part of that reason, it's no coincidence that the lighter weight of the Gen 2 is brought up in virtually 100% of reviews.

 

[Truckzor]

I agree with you on that, however you have to consider all the other components to the vehicle that would need to be upgraded, fuel delivery, fuel tank, suspension, power boosting (supercharger or turbo), high volume inter cooler, etc. when you add it all up it comes out to extra weight and less control in a truck. Would be counter productive. This is what the design engineers take into account when designing vehicles. Not to mention the cost associated with each. You could have a very high proformance Offroad vehicle but at what cost, $100k plus. Where would they market it?

One thing I would like to see eventually is an independent rear drive train. Would be interesting Offroad and handle very well.

I really don't think they're going to offer some 700+ horsepower Raptor R. I agree that would have to cost over $100k and there's just not enough of a market for it.

So if they do put the new SD truck motor in the Raptor again, it's going to be exactly what it was last time, just a slight re-tune. I'd guess it will produce no more than 500-510 horsepower and will be a torque monster. In that form, they would probably be able to get away with upgrading fewer driveline components, but there are still some real problems that would need to be overcome. The rear end is getting iffy already and the IWEs are clearly not up to the task. Oh yeah, and the brakes suck.

I'm personally not holding out hope that they will make it, by the way. I was just commenting that an all aluminum NA DOHC 7.0 wouldn't weigh much more than a TT 3.5.

Honestly what I really want is for someone to sell an LS7 swap kit and sort out how to get that motor plugged into the Raptor's electronics. That motor is probably lighter than the EB.

Realistically, though, if I get another new Ford at this point I'd be perfectly happy starting with a Platinum or Lariat 5.0. With aftermarket fenders and suspension (and a Gen 3, 3 liter Whipple) it would be good enough for me.