2020 or 2021?

[Jeff-Ohio]

If the past is any indication I think the new f150 is slated for 2022 and the raptor is usually 2 years behind. That would make 2021 the last year and the raptor available again in 2024. This is not a fact, this is speculation based on history.

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I hear what you are saying and know there was a hiatus between the Gen 1 and Gen 2, but it seems silly that Ford wouldn't sell a very profitable truck, the Raptor, for two years. Why wouldn't they continue to sell the current model until the new model is available? Did used Raptor prices go up during the last hiatus? If so, do we anticipate the same thing happening again if everything plays out as expected?

 

[nmp1]

I hear what you are saying and know there was a hiatus between the Gen 1 and Gen 2, but it seems silly that Ford wouldn't sell a very profitable truck, the Raptor, for two years. Why wouldn't they continue to sell the current model until the new model is available? Did used Raptor prices go up during the last hiatus? If so, do we anticipate the same thing happening again if everything plays out as expected?

In the grand scheme of things, the Raptor is nothing to ford as far as profits go. Ford makes nearly a million regular f150s a year, that’s where the priority is, the Raptor is a pet project. besides, the dealers are the ones make the money on the crazy mark ups.

 

[Kuan]

I hear what you are saying and know there was a hiatus between the Gen 1 and Gen 2, but it seems silly that Ford wouldn't sell a very profitable truck, the Raptor, for two years. Why wouldn't they continue to sell the current model until the new model is available? Did used Raptor prices go up during the last hiatus? If so, do we anticipate the same thing happening again if everything plays out as expected?

Nope - values on the 17+ will not increase regardless of what happens. These gen 2 trucks are viewed differently in the market place. If you look at gen 1 trucks, they have really held their value for a variety of reasons. I am not sure what is driving down the value of the gen2, and not really sure where their prices stabilize.

 

[nmp1]

Nope - values on the 17+ will not increase regardless of what happens. These gen 2 trucks are viewed differently in the market place. If you look at gen 1 trucks, they have really held their value for a variety of reasons. I am not sure what is driving down the value of the gen2, and not really sure where their prices stabilize.

higher production numbers and v6 phobia. the 6.2 v8 is the only thing keeping the gen1 values up.

 

[melvimbe]

I hear what you are saying and know there was a hiatus between the Gen 1 and Gen 2, but it seems silly that Ford wouldn't sell a very profitable truck, the Raptor, for two years. Why wouldn't they continue to sell the current model until the new model is available?

Although Raptors have a lot of unique parts, quite a bit of the parts in a Raptor are on every F-150. If you stop producing those common parts in mass, then the cost of those parts goes up significantly. For example, if the new F-150s all have 12" screens, then you're only making 8" for the Raptor, and won't get the same bulk pricing you had before.

Other aspect is that you build up the perceived value of the Raptor if it's not available for a period of time. Same thing as when you only produce a limited number of vehicles, which people like to complain about these days.

3rd point is that the new F150 model may have features that are better than what current model Raptor can provide. That's going to lower sales of the Raptor. Or on the other hand, if current Raptor has better features than new F150, will it give the impression that the F150 was under developed or something like that?

If a 3rd gen Raptor is ready, then it makes sense to release it at the same time. If not, I can see the logic of just holding off for a few years. If there are no new Raptors, what will happen to Raptor Assault?

 

[Jeff-Ohio]

Although Raptors have a lot of unique parts, quite a bit of the parts in a Raptor are on every F-150. If you stop producing those common parts in mass, then the cost of those parts goes up significantly. For example, if the new F-150s all have 12" screens, then you're only making 8" for the Raptor, and won't get the same bulk pricing you had before.

Other aspect is that you build up the perceived value of the Raptor if it's not available for a period of time. Same thing as when you only produce a limited number of vehicles, which people like to complain about these days.

3rd point is that the new F150 model may have features that are better than what current model Raptor can provide. That's going to lower sales of the Raptor. Or on the other hand, if current Raptor has better features than new F150, will it give the impression that the F150 was under developed or something like that?

If a 3rd gen Raptor is ready, then it makes sense to release it at the same time. If not, I can see the logic of just holding off for a few years. If there are no new Raptors, what will happen to Raptor Assault?

Those are all great comments!!!!! Makes perfect sense.

 

[WraptorBoy]

V8 vs V6 sound: I buy my vehicles for performance first, which is why I would never have considered the gen 1 Raptor, not how many cylinders or the sound. I love the sound of a V8 and I love the sound of the V6. The V6 makes me feel like I am really using the engine which I apprecaite. V10/V12 sounds awesome too. Don't care for the sound of 4 cylinders though!

Cam phaser: I have a 2019 Sept/Oct build. Absolutely 100% has the same exact sound as the posted failing cam phaser issues, but at a 75% (or more) reduced volume. I am going to record it this week and post it. I've heard this sound since day one and believe it's normal for this engine. The question is: will it get louder and therefore start failing requiring the repair?


It's a very fun truck, I really love it and I find reasons to take a ride. However, my love will dissipate over time if I can't trust the vehicle. I have a general rule of thumb and that is if I have to bring the vehicle in, within the bumper to bumper period for any medium to major repairs, I won't be keeping it.


To address the OP: Just get it and use it. If you're bent on a V8 then the maybe Raptor isn't for you beacuse you will always wish you had a V8. I went through a period like that until I realized it was performance, not sound, that I really wanted. Now I love both. And BTW, turbo whistle is pretty sweet!

I just read several pages of 2020 issues so there's no escaping it!

JUST DO IT! (and hope they don't have blasters)

 

[Angelo1]

Is the Cam Phaser issue only a Ford problem and why are they having a continued issue with it? What can be done to prevent it(I.e upgrades, maintenance,etc)? I’m not a mechanic and heard of cam phasers until I started following this site

 

[PlainJane]

i heard it was an electric V10.

I heard its going to be a Twin Turbo Supercharged V4 Hybrid

 

[FordTechOne]

Nope - values on the 17+ will not increase regardless of what happens. These gen 2 trucks are viewed differently in the market place. If you look at gen 1 trucks, they have really held their value for a variety of reasons. I am not sure what is driving down the value of the gen2, and not really sure where their prices stabilize.

I don’t know where you’re coming up with that baseless assertion, but 2017’s with 100k miles are going for mid $40k all day. When I looked at used 2018/19 models before buying mine, plenty of low mileage used ones were going for the same price I paid new.

There is no reason Gen 2’s won’t hold their value just the same as Gen 1’s, especially when you consider the 6.2 V8 was available in other, much less expensive and non-exclusivity F-150 models. The only way to get a 3.5 High Output is to buy a 2017+ Navigator or 2019+ F-150 Limited, both of which retail for considerably more than a Raptor. It’s an exclusive engine.