2016 [2017*] Raptor test mule spy shots

[ZaneMasterX]

If Ford does an ecoboost like this one Im on board 100%

 

[Truckzor]

Semantics. Ford dined at the government trough with the rest of them.

I couldn't possibly disagree more. They are night and day different situations. At the end of the day, the taxpayer lost big on the GM bailout. Not true for Ford (unless Ford doesn't repay the loans, at which point I would change my view of them). You can't just dismiss that important factual difference as semantics.

*I'm a former GM guy and I approved this message.*

 

[tplee]

I couldn't possibly disagree more. They are night and day different situations. At the end of the day, the taxpayer lost big on the GM bailout. Not true for Ford (unless Ford doesn't repay the loans, at which point I would change my view of them). You can't just dismiss that important factual difference as semantics.

*I'm a former GM guy and I approved this message.*

You are still looking at it through "blue oval" glasses. GM didn't forgo the loans; the gov't chose to cut its loses and sell the stock back for less than it paid--shame on GM for being so poorly managed, but that's on our gov't. They never should have made the "investment" in the first place. But lets be honest and call it what it is: this was a bailout for big labor; not big auto. GM closes its doors and suitors immediately line up to purchase it. Assembly lines are barely shut down before being fired up again. The only one who loses are employee pension holders and the AFL-CIO associated unions. Those contracts are the first to be severed if GM failed. The bailout was a political campaign payoff.

Also of note: Ford basically tanked earlier in the decade (see fallout from Explorer rollover crashes) and had already made the structural changes needed to return to profitability. The loans helped ensure it. It terms of taxpayer investment, Ford is and was the far better investment for the taxpayer. GM should have been left to fail. I believe, short of another bailout, they will...and they SHOULD.

 

[Truckzor]

You are still looking at it through "blue oval" glasses. GM didn't forgo the loans; the gov't chose to cut its loses and sell the stock back for less than it paid--shame on GM for being so poorly managed, but that's on our gov't. They never should have made the "investment" in the first place. But lets be honest and call it what it is: this was a bailout for big labor; not big auto. GM closes its doors and suitors immediately line up to purchase it. Assembly lines are barely shut down before being fired up again. The only one who loses are employee pension holders and the AFL-CIO associated unions. Those contracts are the first to be severed if GM failed. The bailout was a political campaign payoff.

Also of note: Ford basically tanked earlier in the decade (see fallout from Explorer rollover crashes) and had already made the structural changes needed to return to profitability. The loans helped ensure it. It terms of taxpayer investment, Ford is and was the far better investment for the taxpayer. GM should have been left to fail. I believe, short of another bailout, they will...and they SHOULD.

I agree with your post in its entirety but I feel it better supports my position than your own. GM would no longer be in existence without government intervention. It is, therefore, basically dead to me.

Growing up, my parents always drove Suburbans. I also have extensive experience with LS1 f-bodies, a C5 Z06, numerous GTPs, a supercharged Bonneville (true sleeper, the thing was beige), and my last truck was a 400+ RWHP Avalanche. While I was never truly biased against Ford (I had a '93 Cobra for a short while, so my history with SVT stretches back quite a ways) I have certainly been more of a GM guy in the past. Not so post bailout. They will always be Government Motors to me now. I'm not saying I'll never buy another one (I'm currently debating a clean used ZR1 purchase) but I definitely give preference in where I spend my money to companies I respect.

Just my two cents.

 

[oxfordraptor]

Right on none of this has to do with a potential 2016 Raptor so let's keep it on track.

 

[tplee]

Right on none of this has to do with a potential 2016 Raptor so let's keep it on track.

True. Rant over.

 

[gwpfan]

Ok back on track, but funny I talked to a buddy about this thread, he owns a tuned diesel, and he said he would have had the same thoughts as many on not wanting a puny V6, but after driving my Eco and my Raptor he told me he's now holding out for the Eco Raptor....but I am thinking I'll tune the Raptor before long. Held up because a few weeks ago, abnormal cold morning Raptor acted like it didn't want to start. Waiting for a few more cold mornings, just over 3000 miles on it...

 

[Gorelaz]

EcoBoost v6 Raptor is for boys, 6.2 V8 Raptor is for Men.

On a serious note though, the ecoboost engine would work for the raptor if they used the same aluminium body frame they use on the 2015 F150, since it weighs less than our 10-14 Raptors

 

[WyoStorm]

I just don't see why a v6 turbo engine would be good in a Raptor. I think our normally aspirated 6.2 will last for a long time and provide a couple 100K of reliable use. I'm sure we can get the power out of an ecoboost but can we make it as reliable and long lasting in a vehicle that frequents the off-road as much as we do.

 

[yoursmiledoc]

I just don't see why a v6 turbo engine would be good in a Raptor. I think our normally aspirated 6.2 will last for a long time and provide a couple 100K of reliable use. I'm sure we can get the power out of an ecoboost but can we make it as reliable and long lasting in a vehicle that frequents the off-road as much as we do.

I just bought an ecoboost FX4 and sold my raptor. I am now doing a raptor conversion on the FX4. I thought the same thing but.......... The ecoboost has proven to be a very reliable motor capable of many miles, my ecoboost gets far better mileage than my raptor, (18mpg my last tank with 33+" tires) and I can smoke raptors or platinum 6.2L trucks at will. I am planning intake, exhaust, and a dyno tune that will reliably put 450hp to the ground. Not bad for $2500 in engine upgrades. The truck feels 1000lbs lighter. Don't take my word for it, go drive one. I did and now I am building an ecoraptor.