what oil does the fatory fill with ??

[onebadf150]

I was wondering what engine oil the factory fills the 6.2L with before shipping 5w-20? regular dino oil, semi synthetic, or full synthetic?

 

[FSM06]

5w-20 syn-blend

 

[Falcon]

5w-20 syn-blend

Is that what YOU recommend for oil Damon? If so, for how long?

 

[FSM06]

Well, I use 5w-20 syn-blend (Motorcraft) and change every 3K. Likely overkill, but makes me feel good. The synthetic blend oils can easily go 5K without much trouble and be just fine.

FSM

 

[Falcon]

Well, I use 5w-20 syn-blend (Motorcraft) and change every 3K. Likely overkill, but makes me feel good. The synthetic blend oils can easily go 5K without much trouble and be just fine.

FSM

Thanks for the advice Damon.

I am almost afraid to even open this can of worms... (almost <G>) but what do you think about all the discussion that oil, especially synthetic, lasts a LOT longer than 5,000 or even 7,500 miles? I am sure you have heard of it. If not, and you have an hour to spare... google "How long does motor oil last" and stand back <G>. Here is a good example of a non-crazy one http://tinyurl.com/2swbbk .

In Naval Aviation... we never went on any type of interval. We had a requirement for an oil sample on a regular basis... but never changed fluid unless the sample came back bad. Your thoughts?

Falcon

 

[frogslinger]

In an ideal world oil sampling is the best way to go.

Failing that MarkT's solution is the next best thing if you do not mind the extra expense

Then you can follow ford's severe service interval

Then the light service interval

then the light on your dash

then change kt when you remember

then never change the oil...

Of note... I got a coupon for a 10 dollar full synthetic oil change when I bought the truck. They scheduled me an appointment for October.

BTW synthetic was ruled by the court system to be a marketing as opposed to an engineering term so just because it says it is synthetic, does not mean that the hydrocarbon strands were built from smaller components to uniform "size" (that is what makes synthetic "better")... they could just as easily been cracked from longer strands in natural dino oil to somewhat uniform size, or simply been slightly more aggressively distilled. Because none of the manufacturers publish their actual technique it is impossible to know what is in your synthetic.

So.. buy name brand... run it as long as you feel comfortable and be like me and buy a new car every 18 months... that way you do not have to worry about excess wear...

 

[Z7What]

Nick, Eric told me dino oil is what is comes in them from Ford.

Wayne

 

[Falcon]

Oil Sampling... I looked into doing this a couple of years ago but couldn't justify the cost. The cost isn't a lot, and it would be cool if one of you guys with Dyno and Engine tear down experience would do oil samples on his Raptor and post what he finds. I wouldn't know what the heck I was looking at. Here is what one place checks on standard auto oil samples:

Oil Analyzers Inc. Testing Package for Automotive/Light Truck (Engine Oil)


Spectrographic Analysis Reported in Parts Per Million (PPM)

Wear Metals
Iron Chromium Lead Copper Aluminum Nickel Silver Titanium

Contaminants
Aluma/Silica (dirt) Potassium Sodium Water Soot (Diesel) Solids (Gasoline)

Engine Oil Additives
Boron Magnesium Calcium Barium Phosphorus Zinc Molybdenum

Physical Properties
Viscosity @ 1000C cSt Coolant Fuel %

Additional Tests
TBN (Base Number) Oxidation Nitration

Graphical Analysis ( 3 or more consecutive tests)

Analysis Recommendations (Based on test results and condemning limits)

Here is the web site: http://tinyurl.com/29jtapa there are others that do the same service.

What gave me pause is the sampling port... Naval Aircraft engines have them and you take a sample after engine start and warm-up. Then QA runs the sample and the aircraft isn't released for flight until it comes back good. I don't think the Raptor has one <G>.

There are a lot of tightly held opinions in the lubrication world... oil sampling is always a hotly contested topic. For us, the main thing is to determine the most accurate method for our motor(s) and then be as consistent as possible. Perhaps you motorheads could undertake this as a discussion topic on the board here, and once consensus is reached someone who's wife has a good job <G> could start taking samples, and you guys could discuss the results. Whilst us lurkers watch and chime in on occasion telling you how smart you guys are and how lucky we are just to know you <G>.

Should solve the question of "How long does oil last" in a Raptor... Or at the very least be good spectator sport <G>.

Here is a great site called "Machinery Lubrication" which explains the whole sampling process in detail, and talks to the pluses an minuses in laymans terms. The article stems from a Naval Air Training command paper on the subject, and is an interesting read if you are interested in Auto engine oil sampling.

A Drop in the Bucket for Engine Oil Sampling: http://tinyurl.com/23ts5s9

World Class Oil Sampling - it is possible: http://tinyurl.com/28sznyo

The Oil sampling Dog Fight: http://tinyurl.com/29q2bd9

Gheeze-o-pete... makes me think I am a Maintenance Chief signing "Safe for Flight" certification again at the Naval Air Test and Evaluation Squadron ONE (VX-1) again. All in all, not a bad memory <G>.

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[FSM06]

Thanks for the advice Damon.

I am almost afraid to even open this can of worms... (almost <G>) but what do you think about all the discussion that oil, especially synthetic, lasts a LOT longer than 5,000 or even 7,500 miles? I am sure you have heard of it. If not, and you have an hour to spare... google "How long does motor oil last" and stand back <G>. Here is a good example of a non-crazy one http://tinyurl.com/2swbbk .

In Naval Aviation... we never went on any type of interval. We had a requirement for an oil sample on a regular basis... but never changed fluid unless the sample came back bad. Your thoughts?

Falcon

I certainly agree that oil sampling is the most precise way to know an oils ability to lubricate at certain intervals. I do know that the recommended oil change interval on my wife's Mini Cooper S on full synthetic is 15K..........that just seems lengthy to me but I have went outside my own limitations and let it go to 10K between oil changes. The little machine has nearly 100K on it now and runs like a top. To answer your question, personally I DO believe the full synthetics can go MUCH further than conventional oils without consequece. How much further?? Only oil sampling could answer that for me, I really don't know.

FSM

 

[MarkT]

My biggest concern about long change intervals is the filter. My BMW had a 15,000 mile oil change interval as well... it used an "old fashioned" canister type oil filter where you unscrew the lid and replace just the filter element. There were reports of the filter elements failing at high mileage... which is something you wouldn't see with a spin-on filter unless you cut it open.

Supposedly, the elements were improved... but still. The oil changes were free every 15,000 miles but I changed it once in between to be safe.

I also remember in the early days Amsoil recommended that you do filter changes in between oil changes... I don't know if they still recommend this.

Other than that, you can use testing to determine the life of the oil and additives and extend the changes to maximize the oil life... but I doubt you'd save any money... unless... like the military probably uses... the oil is some kind of $50 per quart stuff. Then regular testing would be the way to go.