What are you looking for in a Gen 3? (With Survey)

[MTF]

I could buy a new Raptor tomorrow if it would be a worth wild upgrade from what I own now.

If I want Tech and gadgetry, I'll buy the new Escalade with 36 inches of LCD screen. LOL

 

[K223]

I could buy a new Raptor tomorrow if it would be a worth wild upgrade from what I own now.

If I want Tech and gadgetry, I'll buy the new Escalade with 36 inches of LCD screen. LOL

Did you say BUY that Escalade? Make sure to trade it in by the time the ashtrays fill up if you do lol

 

[FordTechOne]

Again, read my statement, FULLY LOADED
And I'll give you the 30k is not right, it's more like $19,000, my bad.
But your numbers aren't correct either.

F-150 2011 F150 RAPTOR CRW Base price was $44,315

Base Gen 1 was $38,260, FULLY LOADED was $47,940 for a Super Cab
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Gen 2 with close to as possible options, $66,540 more options can be added.
Now if they offered a Super Cab it might be $3,500 +/- cheaper
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It only gets the stronger frame because of the weaker aluminum body.
That's why the 1000 lbs. lighter never happen. It's only 472 lbs. lighter
The reinforcing gussets were already added on for the 2013-2014

Why are so many deleting the Live Valve?

2010 1/2 Super Cab, best Raptor built to date!!!

What do you mean “if” they offered a Super Cab? Gen 2’s have always offered a Super Cab, including 2020 models.

Your numbers still aren’t even in the ballpark, and apparently you don’t understand inflation. A 2020 Raptor Super Cab with 801A, tailgate step, and bed extender is $57,980 MSRP.

When you adjust the 2010 price for inflation, it comes out to $57,584 in 2020. So a difference of about $500; not your ridiculous claims of $20k-$30k.

The frame being stronger has absolutely nothing to do with the aluminum body; the Gen 2 Raptor has a unique frame even compared to the standard F-150, which is also aluminum. The aluminum body is also stronger than the steel bodies due to the heavier gauge and the alloys used.

As far as weight saving, nobody ever claimed 1,000lbs. It was always 500lbs, which is right where it landed. Your theory of “so many” people deleting Live Valve is based on a few posts on a forum, you’re exaggerating as always.

You keep believing that your 2010 is the be-all-end-all. The rest of the world will keep moving forward.

 

[Kaz109]

Most ppl will disagree with what I am about to say so I am open to a discussion about it.....

I dont want the Gen 3 to have multiple engine options and here's why, all top tier halo vehicles have a single powerplant option. You can go down any list of any vehicle be it exotic, European or American and all of them have that in common.

So to me I dont care if it is a powerboost or a SC V8 but I want whichever engine Ford uses to be the only engine option. I feel like if they make it an " pick your engine" vehicle it will make the raptor just like a run of the mill vehicle.

I feel like the Gen 1 was great with the 6.2L ( even though a GM 6.2 had more HP and TQ) and I feel like the H.O 3.5 EcoBoost was a great step up combining hp, tq, gas mileage and weight......so with that said I trust that the next motor should be in the interest of keeping the raptor what it has always been and not moving the needle that only focuses on HP.

@FordTechOne .....I am interested in your point of view

 

[melvimbe]

Most ppl will disagree with what I am about to say so I am open to a discussion about it.....

I dont want the Gen 3 to have multiple engine options and here's why, all top tier halo vehicles have a single powerplant option. You can go down any list of any vehicle be it exotic, European or American and all of them have that in common.

So to me I dont care if it is a powerboost or a SC V8 but I want whichever engine Ford uses to be the only engine option. I feel like if they make it an " pick your engine" vehicle it will make the raptor just like a run of the mill vehicle.

I feel like the Gen 1 was great with the 6.2L ( even though a GM 6.2 had more HP and TQ) and I feel like the H.O 3.5 EcoBoost was a great step up combining hp, tq, gas mileage and weight......so with that said I trust that the next motor should be in the interest of keeping the raptor what it has always been and not moving the needle that only focuses on HP.

@FordTechOne .....I am interested in your point of view

I think I see where you're getting at, but I don't think the effect of lessening the value of the Raptor would apply in this case.

I have always been bothered by the Mustang engine options, since you could get an actual muscle car, or a run of the mill coup in the body of a muscle car. You had to look for the 5.0 badging in order to tell what you were looking at. The difference was pretty drastic between the two options.

I don't think the difference between a V8 SC and powerboost is going to be as drastic, and both options will be better than you can get in a normal stock f150. To some extent, people will want to know whether it's an EB or V8, but that's the scenario already with F150s.

 

[K223]

I think I see where you're getting at, but I don't think the effect of lessening the value of the Raptor would apply in this case.

I have always been bothered by the Mustang engine options, since you could get an actual muscle car, or a run of the mill coup in the body of a muscle car. You had to look for the 5.0 badging in order to tell what you were looking at. The difference was pretty drastic between the two options.

I don't think the difference between a V8 SC and powerboost is going to be as drastic, and both options will be better than you can get in a normal stock f150. To some extent, people will want to know whether it's an EB or V8, but that's the scenario already with F150s.

If Ford would come out with a killer hybrid package, then they could exclusively provide this in all Raptors. The tech today can make it happen. Does Ford want to or maybe they are quite not ready yet. It would truly be a Raptor for the future and be competitive with BEV’s and offer more than say maybe I have a better off road suspension still or I can refuel in the desert, etc.

Of course there are folks that want the V8 and I can also be excited to see it. Still I don’t want the Raptor to be a gas pig as it’s my DD and this truck answers the call to perform in many ways. If it has no range then it’s become something of a TRX. Even more so of a big boy toy.

 

[Kaz109]

I think I see where you're getting at, but I don't think the effect of lessening the value of the Raptor would apply in this case.

I have always been bothered by the Mustang engine options, since you could get an actual muscle car, or a run of the mill coup in the body of a muscle car. You had to look for the 5.0 badging in order to tell what you were looking at. The difference was pretty drastic between the two options.

I don't think the difference between a V8 SC and powerboost is going to be as drastic, and both options will be better than you can get in a normal stock f150. To some extent, people will want to know whether it's an EB or V8, but that's the scenario already with F150s.

I wasn't speaking to actual value of the of the raptor but more along the lines of the integrity of the category so to speak. To me it doesn't matter if Ford offers two engine options and they are both different from the standard F150, the formula is still compromised.

ZR1
GT3
VIPER
Z06
488
M3
GT-R
NSX
GT500
GT350
HURACAN
570S


Which of those vehicles has more than one engine option? That is the point I am making . I lole the tradition of multiple engine options for your daily market consumer vehicles but when it is time to built a specialty vehicle it should have one and only engine option that is not shared with anything else

 

[melvimbe]

Which of those vehicles has more than one engine option? That is the point I am making

None of the vehicles you listed are a truck either. I see your point, I just don't think that it damages the integrity of the Raptor name as you feel it does. And it seems like you expect that others would feel the same since you thought others would disagree. It's an opinion, so plenty of room for different views.

But...it's been said before that most of the Raptors you see on lots are going to be load, as people generaly don't want the top of the line, but stripped down, version. Ford does have to be careful that if they do make two engine options, one is not thought of as fully inferior to the other.

 

[Kaz109]

None of the vehicles you listed are a truck either. I see your point, I just don't think that it damages the integrity of the Raptor name as you feel it does. And it seems like you expect that others would feel the same since you thought others would disagree. It's an opinion, so plenty of room for different views.

But...it's been said before that most of the Raptors you see on lots are going to be load, as people generaly don't want the top of the line, but stripped down, version. Ford does have to be careful that if they do make two engine options, one is not thought of as fully inferior to the other.

That's why I said vehicles, the same formula can apply for

G63
URUS
range rover SVR
Raptor
TRX
Cayenne turbo
X5M


The list can go on and on.....yes the raptor is a truck but it does fall into the specialty vehicle Category so I think it should be treated as such like all the other specialty vehicles I listed

 

[MTF]

What do you mean “if” they offered a Super Cab? Gen 2’s have always offered a Super Cab, including 2020 models.

Your numbers still aren’t even in the ballpark, and apparently you don’t understand inflation. A 2020 Raptor Super Cab with 801A, tailgate step, and bed extender is $57,980 MSRP.

When you adjust the 2010 price for inflation, it comes out to $57,584 in 2020. So a difference of about $500; not your ridiculous claims of $20k-$30k.

The frame being stronger has absolutely nothing to do with the aluminum body; the Gen 2 Raptor has a unique frame even compared to the standard F-150, which is also aluminum. The aluminum body is also stronger than the steel bodies due to the heavier gauge and the alloys used.

As far as weight saving, nobody ever claimed 1,000lbs. It was always 500lbs, which is right where it landed. Your theory of “so many” people deleting Live Valve is based on a few posts on a forum, you’re exaggerating as always.

You keep believing that your 2010 is the be-all-end-all. The rest of the world will keep moving forward.

Standard F150 is not designed for Baja style racing either so it doesn't need the stronger frame.
The talk for two years, that the Gen 2 was going to be 1000-1500 lbs. lighter, but you can try to dismiss that.
Aluminum panels need to be thicker to prevent dings but the roof construction is not strong enough to keep the Gen 2s frame from bending.

And you keep believing your Gen 2 is the be end all.