That's funny. They played salesman games with me. But I'm local. I have better luck getting no BS when I talk to out-of-town dealers. I think they figure they have one shot at me whereas the local guys know it's a hassle to buy out of town. Timing is also a big deal. Huge. Buy when cars aren't moving well and you may get diçked around a little, but you can get invoice without much trouble once they realize that you aren't stupid. Buying in times of car shortage like these? It's like going to prison except in prison you get treated better.