GEN 2 Tune plus Pedal Commander

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Lol

 

[Guy]

You’re right.
I’m just feeling pessimistic. Lol

I’ve been running a P/C on Lucille (2017) for 3 years now without an issue. Some of the newer trucks didn’t care for the pedal commander, I’m wondering if that was due to running race +4. I only got as far as sport +2 and it was too binary for use on the street. If you stick to something close to linear throttle, it works as advertised.



It is like a quarter twist m/c throttle cam, but electronic. It’s not an illusion though, it’s very real. Not every situation calls for WFO throttle and this is where P/C works well.
Like wanting lower than 3rd gear when you make a sharp turn and gas it, but without full throttle. In eco normal mode the truck, doesn’t want to downshift, it wants to stick in the current gear almost like it’s stuck in manual mode with too high a gear selected.

On a stock truck you can easily find yourself not able to pass because the truck refuses to downshift. You can do this by tipping in slowly, then floor it. Watch the boost max out and transmission stay right where it is. Tuned trucks don’t have this problem; or... maybe I should say trucks that have both engine and transmission tune?

The stock normal drive mode on the Rap stinks.

P/C is really simple and simplistic, it’s just altering the TPS signal out, telling the truck it’s getting more throttle than you’re actually giving. In Normal mode that works out well because normal has an abysmally non-linear throttle input to output relationship.

 

[Ricks_y]

Update - As I mentioned in the first post, my truck has been dyno tuned and has tons of power but I'm not happy with the drivability. I added the pedal commander and it did help as I could adjust as I wanted. My biggest problem remained the shifting. I read and read and during black Friday sale ordered the Cobb accessport with goosetune. I'm in the process of tuning now with @wgr73 and couldn't be happier. Shifting with the Cobb OEM+ TCM tune and the custom tune is very smooth and the truck is much better as a daily driver. I may have lost a little power (although I can't tell it) but it is way more fun to drive.

Hi

Do you still have the PC installed with the Accessport?

Any kind of issues when you turn the steering and give gas? like no power

 

[snt505]

I have been using the PC since buying the truck new last December. I run a Goosetuned e50 file on the AP and Calibrated Power Ecoboost tunes on the Ezlynk. Also used it on a 2016 Ram Cummins and have it on my 2017 Jeep Wrangler. No issues and I recommend.

Any reason you don't use the Dynamic Pedal Control (Throttle Response setting) on the Accessport instead of keeping the pedal commander?

https://cobbtuning.atlassian.net/wi...eatures+Dynamic+Pedal+Control+for+Ford+Raptor

 

[TX RNmedic]

I find that the throttle response from the PC is more linear than using the AP settings. I have used the AP pedal control from settings up to 8 trying to feel out the gain, but found that there is a large sudden increase in response after pushing the pedal down a bit. The PC seems to raise the gain in a linear fashion immediately upon pressing the accelerator pedal. If you look at the gain chart for the AP, you can see what I am trying to explain. Although we don't have the same chart for the PC, I feel the logic is a bit different and has much more adjustability.
I also find the way the trans shifts varies with changing the gain. So, having more settings can help dial in a smoother shifting transmission along with increasing pedal response. To summarize, the PC feels smoother on acceleration with all gain settings from the start of pressing the pedal, and the AP seems to add gain quickly AFTER the pedal has been pressed. I hope this helps explain my findings.

 

[Ricks_y]

I find that the throttle response from the PC is more linear than using the AP settings. I have used the AP pedal control from settings up to 8 trying to feel out the gain, but found that there is a large sudden increase in response after pushing the pedal down a bit. The PC seems to raise the gain in a linear fashion immediately upon pressing the accelerator pedal. If you look at the gain chart for the AP, you can see what I am trying to explain. Although we don't have the same chart for the PC, I feel the logic is a bit different and has much more adjustability.
I also find the way the trans shifts varies with changing the gain. So, having more settings can help dial in a smoother shifting transmission along with increasing pedal response. To summarize, the PC feels smoother on acceleration with all gain settings from the start of pressing the pedal, and the AP seems to add gain quickly AFTER the pedal has been pressed. I hope this helps explain my findings.

Just got my Ap, i put the throttle at 10. there is still a little lag. I turned on my PC( sport +4) and no lag.

I know i just installed AP with the pre map stage 1 93 oct. . it doesnt feel the same as my sct4 tune from 5 star 91 oct. my boost goes to the limit when i give gas. AP boost doesnt.

is it just the tune i need to improve. how many tunes did you need TX RNmedic.

 

[TX RNmedic]

I used Calibrated Power for tuning the Cummins on mm3 since 2017. As soon as they came out with the ecoboost tunes via ezlynk for the 2020 Raptor, I was on board as I like their service and products. I was using the pedal commander (PC) on the Cummins with their tune and had great results. The ezlynk tuning platform doesn't have an option for increasing throttle sensitivity, so using the PC on the Raptor with it was a no-brainer. Upon reading more about the Accessport with Cobb and its great reviews, I wanted to have a custom tune with Goose, so I bought that as well. Both platforms have their pros and cons. The protuners can probably add throttle gain if requested, but having the ability to change it to your liking without map modifications/revisions seems much quicker and much less hassle.

 

[TX RNmedic]

To add, one pro of the Ezlynk platform is the ability to monitor the inferred ehanol/alcohol content of the fuel. Being the Calibrated Power maps are "flex tunes", may be the reason for tapping into and providing the ECM flex fuel monitoring capability for this PID. I contacted Goosetuned and Cobb requesting this PID be available to us that run ethanol blended maps, but both said it is unavailable on the Accessport.
If anyone knows how to write a custom PID to achieve this on an app like Torque Pro, please let me know. I believe the ECM's output for this parameter, albeit "inferred", would still be accurate for our use.

 

[digscruze]

To add, one pro of the Ezlynk platform is the ability to monitor the inferred ehanol/alcohol content of the fuel. Being the Calibrated Power maps are "flex tunes", may be the reason for tapping into and providing the ECM flex fuel monitoring capability for this PID. I contacted Goosetuned and Cobb requesting this PID be available to us that run ethanol blended maps, but both said it is unavailable on the Accessport.
If anyone knows how to write a custom PID to achieve this on an app like Torque Pro, please let me know. I believe the ECM's output for this parameter, albeit "inferred", would still be accurate for our use.

can you provide more info on the Ezlynk? What’s the primary benefit? Is it a PC replacement?

 

[TX RNmedic]

Hello! The Ezlynk is another tuning platform like Ngauge, SCT, Accessport, etc. It is a cloud based system for obtaining files and such and then flashing to the vehicle. It uses a connection with your smartphone for flashing and PID monitoring. Your phone is the gauge cluster like the Accessport would be used in gauge mode. Unfortunately, not all protuners use multiple platforms for applying their files. Cobb/Goosetuned do not use ezlynk and Calibrated Power does not port to the Accessport...go figure. It would nice to have multiple custom maps from different protuners on the same hardware platform for a direct quick comparison. As we all know, the Accessport is nice, but backing up before flashing and then uninstalling is a real timesuck!