Today's project

[BajaFred]

Baja Fred is wrong. It is not a big break kit and it does stop shorter with less drama.

I think you're getting my point confused

You will not see any benefit on the first panic stop (which is what most people incorrectly assume) - tires are the issue

You will see benefits on the next 10 panic stops - fade is the issue and depends on the quality of your upgrade

Search the web, there's tons of posts, police departments doing real tests, etc all showing the same thing

I agree 100% with less drama - it's like a butt dyno - better brakes do feel much better but the distances on that first stop are still the same within a few feet

 

[RAPTORATX]

Stops shorter--perhaps a combo of better pads with rotors. i kid you not.

 

[BajaFred]

Stops shorter--perhaps a combo of better pads with rotors. i kid you not.

Nothing more than a few feet - insignificant - it's your butt dyno telling you otherwise

Same reason people love the Pedal Commander, the "feel" can be misleading

Here's one of MANY tests out there
Project Acura RSX Type S Brake Test - Sport Compact Car Magazine

 

[RAPTORATX]

Baja--you must be right--not.
Supercab was 4 ft shorter 60 mph to zero; Measured before and after bedding-in here in Austin TX on dry pavement. It makes a difference. ProModular Performance did the install.

 

[BajaFred]

Baja--you must be right--not.
Supercab was 4 ft shorter 60 mph to zero; Measured before and after bedding-in here in Austin TX on dry pavement. It makes a difference. ProModular Performance did the install.

You could have saved us lots of posts, we're in agreement

Look back, I've been writing "a few feet" through most of my posts

4 feet = a few feet = 2% when we're talking about braking distances of 140 feet

Whew

 

[df4801]

I think you're getting my point confused

You will not see any benefit on the first panic stop (which is what most people incorrectly assume) - tires are the issue

You will see benefits on the next 10 panic stops - fade is the issue and depends on the quality of your upgrade

Search the web, there's tons of posts, police departments doing real tests, etc all showing the same thing

I agree 100% with less drama - it's like a butt dyno - better brakes do feel much better but the distances on that first stop are still the same within a few feet

Who has to do multiple panic stops? If so, you have bigger problems. So they really don't matter then.

 

[Shockm]

Gotta say Fred- you are wrong on this. A stock Raptor brake setup cannot lock up front the tires at any decent speed. If it can't lock em up, there's gains to be had. Bigger brakes will stop it quicker. We aren't talking about a car with light wheels and 26" tires that can lock up the front tires at 60 MPH.

Now, slotted/drilled rotors are another story. Those who believe in them, BELIEVE in them and nothing will change their mind. Everyone else wants the maximum amount of surface area and cast iron possible in their rotors.

Completely agree. The point is to get the truck to lock up and into ABS SOONER! This would result in a shorter stop. That's what upgraded rotors/pads are designed for. Sheesh.

 

[Uzzirider]

These **** measuring threads are good reads.
Maybe someone could post some actual data instead of "no way can it lock up" followed by "well I've never tried but I doubt it" followed by "if it can then i stand corrected".

 

[Shockm]

These **** measuring threads are good reads.
Maybe someone could post some actual data instead of "no way can it lock up" followed by "well I've never tried but I doubt it" followed by "if it can then i stand corrected".

Wow, thanks for the input.

 

[BajaFred]

The point is to get the truck to lock up and into ABS SOONER! This would result in a shorter stop. That's what upgraded rotors/pads are designed for. Sheesh.

I'll take my thank you via PM if you're too proud to do it here.

Did you really just not read the post above where he tested this kit and saw 2% improvement?

How about these or any of the 100s of posts out there with real world tests?

Project Acura RSX Type S Brake Test - Sport Compact Car Magazine

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/2010_Aftermarket_Brake_Pad_Evaluation_337522_7.pdf

ABS also insignificantly shortens distances under normal driving conditions. Mind blown, right. I know you won't believe me. How about the NHTSA?

www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811182.PDF
5% reduction on dry concrete
14% reduction on wet concrete
28% increase on gravel

Look, I get it you both got hooked by the sales pitch and now can't/won't/refuse to see the light. Happens to all of us. If the brake co advertised 2-5% improvement during normal driving, no one would buy it.

It is much easier when they advertise HUGE STOPPING POWER - which is still technically correct - the issue is your tires can't keep up.

I'll leave it here hoping it finally makes sense.

Tires, tires, tires

Having 1000hp at the wheel does nothing to 0-60 if your tires can't grip

Having a Boeing 747 brake setup does nothing to 60-0 if your tires can't grip