Reveal Easter Eggs

[Badgertits]

No way the 3.5 EcoBoost is getting a 0-60 of 4.1 - that has to be the Raptor R time. I've heard from friends at Ford that they are really struggling to get any more power out of the current 3.5L due to turbo speed limits (while maintaining mechanical limits of the different engine components i.e. peak cylinder pressure, turbine inlet temps, exhaust temps, etc). So very likely we will see at best a 10-15hp increase from the Gen2 (imo). Now the R is gonna be a whole new beast and I could see the 4.1sec 0-60 from that easily.

Also heard the Summer 2022 availability is very optimistic for the R, and it might be closer to end of 2022...FWIW

well your friends @ Ford must ******* suck @ their jobs BIG time cuz I tell ya what, order ya self a $500 handheld tune & you’ll be putting down +50-100whp additional over stock on a GEN2 depending on how aggressive/octane. The gen2 has a forged crank/rotating assembly & it can easily handle that- I had a 2018 for 34k miles w/ gearhead tune & it had no issues & it got the same or better mpg

so explain to me how Ford engineers couldn’t EASILY tweak the current 3.5 for more power?

you do realize....they could just be Lazy AF & just tune it for 93 octane, that ALONE would be good for a 25-40whp bump over stock touching nothing else- in fact the stock ecu parameters adjust for 93 octane adding timing & more power

then consider that they COULD be dropping slightly larger turbos onto the last gen 3.5 HO, while adding timing & tuning for 93 only...then turn the boost up a tad- are you soft bro? Wtf do you think they did to get more power out of the same block on the GT? Bigger turbos, 93+ octane only, bespoke manifold, etc - however the GT actually “borrowed” the forged crank from the gen2 raptor EB.

maybe they’ll put the actual GT turbos on it? Either way- my bet is it’ll belt out 500hp/600tq anyhow- probably more.

“bbbbbutt it’s ONLY a V6!!!” Bro- I got this in the garage too, but I’m ALL ABOUT this next gen Ford 3.5 HO EB

maybe it IS the “R” that does 0-60 in 4.1, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the “base” Raptor....I mean, a 500hp/600tq tt w/ 4.10s, a 10 speed & AWD launch weighing probably 1200 lbs less than the TRX, which did 3.8 0-60 right? Sounds like the standard Gen3 weighing WAY less may be good for 4.1 & a 750hp raptor R good for 3.3!! Who knows...even if it’s the R, the eco boost version will be just as fast w/ a tune, & be reliable....doubtful EITHER Ford or Rams blown V8 truck will be able to handle much more Hp over stock

if the TRX

 

[NHDude4]

First, I don't at all think that 4.1 was an easter egg. It was just the digital tach.

Second, 4.1 from the EcoBoost isn't out of the realm of possibility, especially if you measure with the typical journalist foot of rollout. The Gen 3 will likely have a small bump in power which should get it to 5.0 0-60. They're also saying peak TQ comes on lower due to the exhaust and I think other tweaks. That could be good for a few tenths easily. They're also saying the new rear suspension should give it much better hookup off the line. 4.1 would be tough, but on a prepped surface in RWD (avoiding AWD drivetrain loss) it might be possible with the various tweaks that would impact this.

Would be quite a party trick if Ford can get the EcoBoost Raptor to match the TRX and leave room for the R to trounce it.

 

[Roc Nichols]

Mine does 0-60 in 4.1

 

[NHDude4]

Mine does 0-60 in 4.1

What's that mod list look like? Mine does 4.9 with a tune but I feel like it would take another 150-200hp to get to 4.1.

 

[Winchester30]

It’s the tach, or maybe it’s the average dealer markup in $1,000’s of dollars.

 

[Badgertits]

First, I don't at all think that 4.1 was an easter egg. It was just the digital tach.

Second, 4.1 from the EcoBoost isn't out of the realm of possibility, especially if you measure with the typical journalist foot of rollout. The Gen 3 will likely have a small bump in power which should get it to 5.0 0-60. They're also saying peak TQ comes on lower due to the exhaust and I think other tweaks. That could be good for a few tenths easily. They're also saying the new rear suspension should give it much better hookup off the line. 4.1 would be tough, but on a prepped surface in RWD (avoiding AWD drivetrain loss) it might be possible with the various tweaks that would impact this.

Would be quite a party trick if Ford can get the EcoBoost Raptor to match the TRX and leave room for the R to trounce it.

i may wage a bet the only thing they did to the 3.5 HO is up the compression add some tuning & tune from the factory for 91-93 octane only. That alone would probably be good for 30-50 bump

a 3” true dual exhaust won’t hurt either

and basically cost em nothing

 

[rtmozingo]

well your friends @ Ford must ******* suck @ their jobs BIG time cuz I tell ya what, order ya self a $500 handheld tune & you’ll be putting down +50-100whp additional over stock on a GEN2 depending on how aggressive/octane. The gen2 has a forged crank/rotating assembly & it can easily handle that- I had a 2018 for 34k miles w/ gearhead tune & it had no issues & it got the same or better mpg

And a number of people who tuned to the same figures have had total engine failures at 100k. I know two off the top of my hand - I touch base with them from time to time. Meanwhile, I know a stock Gen 2 with 130k on it - no issues (10k oil changes) - and that was many months ago. I'd expect him to be pushing 200k now, and many of his miles are offroad miles.

The fact of the matter is that Ford (all manufacturers) must design an engine with many aspects in mind - cost and longevity being two big ones in this instance. Could Ford squeeze more power out of the 3.5? Yes, but then it wouldn't meet their metrics, which are much more stringent than yours. It has been shown by those who have tuned and put miles on their trucks that longevity plummets. There are always tradeoffs.

 

[Badgertits]

And a number of people who tuned to the same figures have had total engine failures at 100k. I know two off the top of my hand - I touch base with them from time to time. Meanwhile, I know a stock Gen 2 with 130k on it - no issues (10k oil changes) - and that was many months ago. I'd expect him to be pushing 200k now, and many of his miles are offroad miles.

The fact of the matter is that Ford (all manufacturers) must design an engine with many aspects in mind - cost and longevity being two big ones in this instance. Could Ford squeeze more power out of the 3.5? Yes, but then it wouldn't meet their metrics, which are much more stringent than yours. It has been shown by those who have tuned and put miles on their trucks that longevity plummets. There are always tradeoffs.

And I know guys w/ stock hellcats & LS/LTx GM cars & coyote mustangs (forget about the 5.2 voodoo for chrissakes) that have had failures -stock.

you wanna play you gotta pay- I didn’t hesitate to tune my 2018 & won’t hesitate to do it again on my 2020

 

[rtmozingo]

What's that mod list look like? Mine does 4.9 with a tune but I feel like it would take another 150-200hp to get to 4.1.

Stock SCABs do 5.2s, so if you can save 500ish pounds you'd be awful close. That, or tune a SCAB to the same figures. The stock SCREW does 5.9? So .7 with the weight difference (can't remember if it is 500 or 800lbs)

 

[NHDude4]

Stock SCABs do 5.2s, so if you can save 500ish pounds you'd be awful close. That, or tune a SCAB to the same figures. The stock SCREW does 5.9? So .7 with the weight difference (can't remember if it is 500 or 800lbs)

Pretty sure the difference is nowhere near that big. Most of the numbers by the high end publications that test thoroughly put the stock SCREW in the low 5s, not high 5s.