Raptors built during COVID

[FordTechOne]

It could be that you got a pristine example and are one of the lucky few. From my experience there are almost always some issues, and there are plenty of examples on this forum with visual evidence. As far as Ford being bankrupt:

A handful of complaints in a forum are not indicative of an entire population, especially a vehicle like the F-Series that sells in quantities of close to 1 million per year. All mass produced vehicles will occasionally have build defects, hence why there is a warranty.

1) Most people do not see or even notice these items. If you point them out they may or may not notice them on future vehicles.
2) Those that do notice them, due to how painful it is to get it fixed do not even try to approach Ford. And Ford does decline many of the repairs unless you are persistant and/or escalate.

If that’s been your experience, that’s on the dealer. Ford has a very simple process for dealers to submit fit and finish concerns. They take a photo of the vehicle (overall), photos of the concern, fill out an online form, and submit it to the prior approval team, which is in Dearborn, MI. Prior approval makes the determination if the issue is warrantable and provides an approval code. The dealer then makes the repair or sublets it out for repair.

 

[jamanrr]

Nissan is on the verge of bankruptcy because they’re been selling poor quality, outdated, unreliable products for decades. Ghosn was the only reason they didn’t go bankrupt in the late 90’s. They rely on rental car companies and consumers with poor credit for the volume of their sales.

This sounds like Dodge.

You’re making a lot of assumptions. Why would you not support those same employees having higher wages, better compensation, and profit sharing?

Regardless, Nissan has been furloughing employees and slashing jobs since last year. Being contract employees, those works have no protection from being let go without pay.
Considering how much you bring them up, it’s hard to believe that. As far as the Frontier, it doesn’t even make the list of top 40 selling vehicles. They’ve only managed to move 44,258 of those antiques in 2020.

Lots of Companies including Ford use contract labor, and I would imagine tons of Ford's engineering crews and vendors are more than likely contract this is not something new.

Toyota has sold 188k Tacoma so far this year.

 

[ademarco]

I have an 18 Raptor and the only issue was they sprayed excess bed liner on the roof of the truck. I only knew about this once I got the ceramic pro coating and ppf put on the truck, but I had no issue since it is extra protection right (maybe birthmark). I’ve driven it like I stole since day 1 and even peeled out of the dealership lot with 12 miles on it in sport mode. Truck has not let me down and love hitting big dips in the road and making it fly. I thank Ford for building the performance line of vehicles as I used to be an import guy when Toyota built cool cars like the Supra and MR2 turbos, but now they have such lack of performance cars.

I have an SS 1LE on order from Chevy and never thought I would buy American because of the bad quality in the past. The issues you bring up seem like you should have done more due diligence before signing the sales receipt. I flew from CA to Las Vegas in order to get a Raptor for MSRP as the dealerships here add dealer mark up to their trucks. Wish you better luck in future purchases, but definitely take advantage of the Raptor Assault course in Utah.


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[FordTechOne]

This sounds like Dodge.

It sounds like you have no idea what you’re talking about as usual. FCA is profitable and is making competitive products. Nissan is on the verge of bankruptcy and just borrowed $2 Billion from the Japanese government as a bailout. You don’t know a single thing about the auto industry, but yet you seem to have so much to say.

https://www.autonews.com/automakers...agency-will-lend-nissan-2b-us-sales-financing

Lots of Companies including Ford use contract labor, and I would imagine tons of Ford's engineering crews and vendors are more than likely contract this is not something new.

Your generalized statements are meaningless. All Ford, GM, and FCA plants in the US and Canada are Union, and the employees have the best compensation and job security in the industry. You continue to “imagine” wrong, because you’re posting baseless speculation. Ford Engineering employees are direct hires, and a Ford employs more Americans than any other automotive company. And those are union and white collar jobs, not $10 hour scab labor at a Japanese owned assembly plant.

 

[jamanrr]

It sounds like you have no idea what you’re talking about as usual. FCA is profitable and is making competitive products. Nissan is on the verge of bankruptcy and just borrowed $2 Billion from the Japanese government as a bailout. You don’t know a single thing about the auto industry, but yet you seem to have so much to say.

Rams are made in Mexico, RIGHT? What is that union wage like?

Your generalized statements are meaningless. All Ford, GM, and FCA plants in the US and Canada are Union, and the employees have the best compensation and job security in the industry. You continue to “imagine” wrong, because you’re posting baseless speculation. Ford Engineering employees are direct hires, and a Ford employs more Americans than any other automotive company. And those are union and white collar jobs, not $10 hour scab labor at a Japanese owned assembly plant.

Sounds like your comments are very vague. Ford is a global company and as such complies with visa sponsorships. The unions which you propound upon almost destroyed Dodge and GM. I can 100 percent assure you that they do outsource some of their engineering, and do have consultants/ contractors who do work on their facility planning and production. Even if a blue collar job is paid like a white collar job, this does not make it a white collar job.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

I guess we aren’t suppose to talk about the great Ford union jobs down in Mexico? At least Nissan, Mercedes and BMW are employing Americans.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/c...uring-mexico-build-mustang-mach-e/5309113002/

 

[FordTechOne]

I guess we aren’t suppose to talk about the great Ford union jobs down in Mexico? At least Nissan, Mercedes and BMW are employing Americans.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/c...uring-mexico-build-mustang-mach-e/5309113002/

Nissan builds more vehicles in Mexico than any other brand. VW has a huge presence down there too. The contract scabs working in Nissan's US plants could make more at In-n-Out flipping burgers. How can you scrutinize Ford for having a plant in Mexico when they're already employing more Americans than anyone else?

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

Just curious why Ford has any plants in Mexico?
Could it be a non-union work force?

It appears the VW workers in Tennessee are happy with their In and Out wages.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...te-against-union-representation-idUSKCN1TG014

 

[FordTechOne]

Rams are made in Mexico, RIGHT? What is that union wage like?

Wrong again. Try Warren Assembly Plant, Michigan.

https://media.fcanorthamerica.com/newsrelease.do?id=343

Sounds like your comments are very vague. Ford is a global company and as such complies with visa sponsorships. The unions which you propound upon almost destroyed Dodge and GM. I can 100 percent assure you that they do outsource some of their engineering, and do have consultants/ contractors who do work on their facility planning and production. Even if a blue collar job is paid like a white collar job, this does not make it a white collar job.

I'm not saying the Union hasn't had issues, hence why UAW went through a reform after the 2008 recession. What I'm saying is UAW employees receive the highest compensation in the industry, the best health care ($0 deductible), and get profit sharing checks each year, typically in the range of $8,000 to $10,000. Are you against high wages for Americans? You know where Nissan employee's profit sharing checks go? In the pockets of Japanese executives.

Until you present some data for your claims of outsourcing, it's all speculation. I suppose you'd rather support while collar jobs in a foreign country than take the chance that an American company might have a few outsourced jobs? You're being ridiculous.

 

[FordTechOne]

Just curious why Ford has any plants in Mexico?
Could it be a non-union work force?

It appears the VW workers in Tennessee are happy with their In and Out wages.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...te-against-union-representation-idUSKCN1TG014

Good for them. Maybe the Germans pay more than the Japanese.

Why does any manufacturer have plants in Mexico? The cost of labor is lower. Building battery electric vehicles is extremely cost prohibitive; it's unlikely they could have made any profit building them in NA, in which case the vehicle wouldn't exist except as a regulatory compliance EV.