GEN 2 Raptor Tunes- What's the deal?

[NASSTY]

Patiently waiting for MPT tunes....

 

[kdub405]

Thank you for sharing.



This is why you can't Believe anything you are being told by the folks selling this stuff. It's frustrating.



Let's see what happens when SCT catches up and gets into the game. I can't imagine it'll be long. I'm sure they are going to look at the hptuner and reverse engineer it.

Guy, HPTuners is just software..they do not write tunes.


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[Guy]

Kevin,

I know. What I mean is that right now they are the. Only company with a device that can reprogram Ford's computer.

Many of the tuners prefer SCT and use it exclusively.
They are waiting for SCT to release their tuning device. I've contacted a couple and that's their response.

I can't imagine the engineers at SCT aren't in possession of an HPTuner device and are looking at how they cracked fords software and how to reverse engineer it to apply it to their own device. Why wouldn't they? The wheel need not be reinvented... just repurposed for their use.

I'm hoping it speeds up their progress and then we will see a lot more tunes.

Guy, HPTuners is just software..they do not write tunes.


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That's 5 Star 93 Octane?


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If you look at the run around 3200 RPM there is close to a 50 horsepower difference on the curve though. For a truck that needs grunt and spends a lot of time in a lower RPM range... it should be a noticible increase in responsiveness and pull off the line.... it's not crap.... it just isn't pulling big peak horsepower gains.

I'd love to see an actual JMS BOOSTMAX or AFE scorcher before and after run and then compare to that tune... for all we know it may be significantly less, the same, or more. Whatever the venders say is likely not accurate... or they highlight the biggest horsepower gain over stock on the curve and not the PEAK horsepower difference.

 

[MadRaptor65]

Kevin,

I know. What I mean is that right now they are the. Only company with a device that can reprogram Ford's computer.

Many of the tuners prefer SCT and use it exclusively.
They are waiting for SCT to release their tuning device. I've contacted a couple and that's their response.

I can't imagine the engineers at SCT aren't in possession of an HPTuner device and are looking at how they cracked fords software and how to reverse engineer it to apply it to their own device. Why wouldn't they? The wheel need not be reinvented... just repurposed for their use.

I'm hoping it speeds up their progress and then we will see a lot more tunes.







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If you look at the run around 3200 RPM there is close to a 50 horsepower difference on the curve though. For a truck that needs grunt and spends a lot of time in a lower RPM range... it should be a noticible increase in responsiveness and pull off the line.... it's not crap.... it just isn't pulling big peak horsepower gains.

I'd love to see an actual JMS BOOSTMAX or AFE scorcher before and after run and then compare to that tune... for all we know it may be significantly less, the same, or more. Whatever the venders say is likely not accurate... or they highlight the biggest horsepower gain over stock on the curve and not the PEAK horsepower difference.

Guy,
My Raptor is with Whipple Supercharger out of Fresno Ca. They are partners with Ford. They also have the ability to reprogram the computer. They will have 2 kits. I am going with the street legal. They will provide me with Dyno testing and I will share. Using my Ford Pass, I could see that they used up 30 mi. worth of gas yesterday. They are going to be Testing it today and maybe Sunday. That was probably some hard 30 mi. testing. They have designed the IC that is installed in my Raptor and did CAI design on my Raptor in March. They have a Tech from Detriot to work on the Raptor and the GT350. I am hoping for around 50 hp and 80-100 TQ. Will know for sure once the Dyno testing is done.
Whipple supercharger is going to offer Ecoboost kits. They are developing kits for Raptors using my truck. Don't know when they will be released but I was told soon.

https://whipplesuperchargers.com/index.php?dispatch=categories.view&category_id=385

 

[TMW!]

Kevin,



I know. What I mean is that right now they are the. Only company with a device that can reprogram Ford's computer.



Many of the tuners prefer SCT and use it exclusively.

They are waiting for SCT to release their tuning device. I've contacted a couple and that's their response.



I can't imagine the engineers at SCT aren't in possession of an HPTuner device and are looking at how they cracked fords software and how to reverse engineer it to apply it to their own device. Why wouldn't they? The wheel need not be reinvented... just repurposed for their use.



I'm hoping it speeds up their progress and then we will see a lot more tunes.













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If you look at the run around 3200 RPM there is close to a 50 horsepower difference on the curve though. For a truck that needs grunt and spends a lot of time in a lower RPM range... it should be a noticible increase in responsiveness and pull off the line.... it's not crap.... it just isn't pulling big peak horsepower gains.



I'd love to see an actual JMS BOOSTMAX or AFE scorcher before and after run and then compare to that tune... for all we know it may be significantly less, the same, or more. Whatever the venders say is likely not accurate... or they highlight the biggest horsepower gain over stock on the curve and not the PEAK horsepower difference.

Fair enough and valid point. However if they are claiming 47X hp why isn't it remotely close to the claim??



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[kdub405]

Kevin,



I know. What I mean is that right now they are the. Only company with a device that can reprogram Ford's computer.



Many of the tuners prefer SCT and use it exclusively.

They are waiting for SCT to release their tuning device. I've contacted a couple and that's their response.



I can't imagine the engineers at SCT aren't in possession of an HPTuner device and are looking at how they cracked fords software and how to reverse engineer it to apply it to their own device. Why wouldn't they? The wheel need not be reinvented... just repurposed for their use.



I'm hoping it speeds up their progress and then we will see a lot more tunes.













---------- Post added at 02:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:39 PM ----------







If you look at the run around 3200 RPM there is close to a 50 horsepower difference on the curve though. For a truck that needs grunt and spends a lot of time in a lower RPM range... it should be a noticible increase in responsiveness and pull off the line.... it's not crap.... it just isn't pulling big peak horsepower gains.



I'd love to see an actual JMS BOOSTMAX or AFE scorcher before and after run and then compare to that tune... for all we know it may be significantly less, the same, or more. Whatever the venders say is likely not accurate... or they highlight the biggest horsepower gain over stock on the curve and not the PEAK horsepower difference.

Gotcha...good point


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[Guy]

Gotcha...good point


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I should have been clearer in my first post. It looked like I was referring to HPTUNERS like they were the tuner... that's what lead to the confusion. My bad on that one.

From what I've heard.... larger bolt on turbos with correct fuel management has the potential for 550-600RWHP without the truck grenading. 8 grand job... but that's where the big ponies are... and some folks are developing kits from what I understand.

With bolt ons and a tune I still don't think we are going to see much past 500RWHP without new turbos and/or other considerable engine work...

I'd be happy with 500 at the wheels though.... it's a lot of truck to throw around.

 

[nofire]

I should have been clearer in my first post. It looked like I was referring to HPTUNERS like they were the tuner... that's what lead to the confusion. My bad on that one.

From what I've heard.... larger bolt on turbos with correct fuel management has the potential for 550-600RWHP without the truck grenading. 8 grand job... but that's where the big ponies are... and some folks are developing kits from what I understand.

With bolt ons and a tune I still don't think we are going to see much past 500RWHP without new turbos and/or other considerable engine work...

I'd be happy with 500 at the wheels though.... it's a lot of truck to throw around.

500RWHP is all I'm aiming for. If I can get that without upgrading the turbos I'm good to go.

 

[Predator]

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Does anyone know if the larger GT turbos could be exchanged with our stockers?

 

[pjones]

Those turbos will probably be very difficult to get, even if they are a direct replacement.