possible v8 in new 2020 raptor

[Ricoman]

A $25,000 OPTION? Baloney, that's not an option. That's a different vehicle altogether.

Look, guys, we are observing the end of the V8. Ford has bet the farm on turbocharged V6 and I4 powerplants. GM is coming out with a new Trailblazer that has two engine options, and they're both turbocharged 3 cylinder "engines" that are smaller in displacement than some motorcycle engines. Hybrids, electrics, etc. If you own a 6.2L Raptor, never sell or trade it. And a few years down the line you'll need to garage it (if you don't already) to keep it from being stolen.

I'd put in a "LIKE" 2x on that one if I could..!!
Long live the Gen1 ... and I tuck my baby in every night.Not worried about it being stolen where I live since its a small town and everyone already knows I got a few loose screws and not to mess with me,but do worry when going someplace at night...as I'm sure most of you guys do,when you go to a big parking lot you park far way from the "idiots" in their beaters...but doing that also puts it away from everyone to see anything happening...Although I dont take it to big "lots" much,last night I went to see FORD VS. FERRARI (excellent,highly recommended)...when I got out it was dark and late,and there was my baby all by itself,perfect target for getting jacked...didnt look so bad when it was light out.....Any suggestions besides sitting in truck bed with an AR....park close and accept the few dings?

 

[Remoat]

From the guy I go to for Ford info tells me youd see 4 cylinder raptors before v8s.

 

[Sernas]

Most of the guys that work at dealerships are FOS

 

[19Stripper]

Clickbait lol

Ford already sells some of their shelby's for 100k+ for those who absolutely cant live without a v8. The only way this will happen is if ram drops the trx and it ACTUALLY has the hellcat motor at 700+hp. Ford will probably answer with a detuned version of the gt500 motor made for truck use (much like the EcoBoost in the raptor now being from the Ford GT) and list them at 100+. That still seems unlikely to me as the trx will most likely be a detuned version of the hellcat motor at 500-550hp which ford can answer with a tune on the "quicker, lighter, more balanced" EcoBoost... Just my .02. But for 2020? Too much hype about the bronco and the electric mustang to change the raptor right now. Car companies have surprised before though.

 

[ShawnJ]

Honestly see an electric raptor before an over priced V8 option.. love a good sounding V8 but I do enjoy my turbo V6. Either way the next gen raptor will be unreal!

 

[bryanb]

A $25,000 OPTION? Baloney, that's not an option. That's a different vehicle altogether.

Look, guys, we are observing the end of the V8. Ford has bet the farm on turbocharged V6 and I4 powerplants.

I think that's probably right, but for a sad reason. I'll add my opinion to the topic with no real knowledge. That's what the Internet is for, right?

I think the problem is the fact that the Gen 1 6.2 L gets 11 MPG in city driving. Ford didn't manufacture enough of the Gen 1s to interfere much with its CAFE requirement, but the unexpected popularity of the truck and our willingness to pay so much for it pushed Ford in to the Gen 2 engine which had to be more fuel efficient so that Ford could make a lot more of them and maintain the required CAFE (see "Corporate Average Fuel Economy" on Wikipedia if not familiar with CAFE). (This trend was already underway independent of the Raptor given Ford's heavy reliance on pickup sales in general.) Ford is certainly making more money from Gen 2s than Gen 1s simply based on a volume that I doubt Ford could ever get away with on the Gen 1 platform because of CAFE.

But a $25,000 "option" would indeed limit the uptake on the low MPG V8 option and protect Ford's CAFE while generating the "halo" effect and making some high margin sales on a much lower volume. This would never make more money than the current Gen 2 configuration, but it would make additional money for Ford and that means it should be possible. I confess I don't really want to buy a Gen 2 even though it is technically superior under the hood. But there's nothing else I want to buy either... (Maybe in a few years Elon will figure out the pickup truck market; I could be tempted to give up my V8 for full torque at 0 MPH...)

The "supply and demand" of capitalism isn't in play on this topic and therefore logic will lead to a lot of wrong predictions. "Climate change" will continue to drive legislation that slowly compels the masses to fall in line. A huge amount of the technology in cars is designed to improve fuel economy. While I like the idea proposed by some that my Gen 1 will be worth stealing someday I think it is much more likely that the climate change folks will propose mandatory government buybacks for gas guzzlers like my beloved Raptor. Recall the voluntary program that did this during the Obama administration and recall the recent politician who campaigned on mandatory gun buybacks. "That government is best which governs least" and when that is not the bent a slow loss of liberty results.

I think the V8 is largely dead because it can't exist in a world that, by consensus and perhaps even science, will "end" as we know it in our children's' lifetimes. I neither deny climate change nor endorse the hysteria around it, but I think the "Raptor is getting a V8" speculation will continue for a long time because it is a logical outcome of consumer desire. But I also think that those who say it will never happen are essentially right, but not because Ford doesn't want to do it. Ford can't do it. That makes me sad.

Anyway, just my thoughts on the topic.

 

[Ruger]

@bryanb wrote, "I think the problem is the fact that the Gen 1 6.2 L gets 11 MPG in city driving."

Mine gets 16.5. That's because I don't drive like I'm a teenager.


And then @bryanb wrote, "I think the V8 is largely dead because it can't exist in a world that, by consensus and perhaps even science, will "end" as we know it in our children's' lifetimes."

[chortle] I played basketball through the day that California was supposed to fall into the Pacific Ocean and never got wet. I survived Y2K. I survived the end of the Mayan calendar. With that kind of track record, I expect to survive every future world-ending event until I die of boredom.

 

[Jonny V]

When the Apocalypse hits I'll be behind the wheel of my trusty Gen1 with a few of my guns and all of my dogs. My wife says she hopes she doesn't survive it, so looks like I'll be single to boot LOL.....At least there will be no more efforts to play crappy chick music in my truck!!!

 

[MFNG]

I think that's probably right, but for a sad reason. I'll add my opinion to the topic with no real knowledge. That's what the Internet is for, right?

I think the problem is the fact that the Gen 1 6.2 L gets 11 MPG in city driving. Ford didn't manufacture enough of the Gen 1s to interfere much with its CAFE requirement, but the unexpected popularity of the truck and our willingness to pay so much for it pushed Ford in to the Gen 2 engine which had to be more fuel efficient so that Ford could make a lot more of them and maintain the required CAFE (see "Corporate Average Fuel Economy" on Wikipedia if not familiar with CAFE). (This trend was already underway independent of the Raptor given Ford's heavy reliance on pickup sales in general.) Ford is certainly making more money from Gen 2s than Gen 1s simply based on a volume that I doubt Ford could ever get away with on the Gen 1 platform because of CAFE.

But a $25,000 "option" would indeed limit the uptake on the low MPG V8 option and protect Ford's CAFE while generating the "halo" effect and making some high margin sales on a much lower volume. This would never make more money than the current Gen 2 configuration, but it would make additional money for Ford and that means it should be possible. I confess I don't really want to buy a Gen 2 even though it is technically superior under the hood. But there's nothing else I want to buy either... (Maybe in a few years Elon will figure out the pickup truck market; I could be tempted to give up my V8 for full torque at 0 MPH...)

The "supply and demand" of capitalism isn't in play on this topic and therefore logic will lead to a lot of wrong predictions. "Climate change" will continue to drive legislation that slowly compels the masses to fall in line. A huge amount of the technology in cars is designed to improve fuel economy. While I like the idea proposed by some that my Gen 1 will be worth stealing someday I think it is much more likely that the climate change folks will propose mandatory government buybacks for gas guzzlers like my beloved Raptor. Recall the voluntary program that did this during the Obama administration and recall the recent politician who campaigned on mandatory gun buybacks. "That government is best which governs least" and when that is not the bent a slow loss of liberty results.

I think the V8 is largely dead because it can't exist in a world that, by consensus and perhaps even science, will "end" as we know it in our children's' lifetimes. I neither deny climate change nor endorse the hysteria around it, but I think the "Raptor is getting a V8" speculation will continue for a long time because it is a logical outcome of consumer desire. But I also think that those who say it will never happen are essentially right, but not because Ford doesn't want to do it. Ford can't do it. That makes me sad.

Anyway, just my thoughts on the topic.

Well put. Ends the discussion IMO.

@bryanb wrote, "I think the problem is the fact that the Gen 1 6.2 L gets 11 MPG in city driving."

Mine gets 16.5. That's because I don't drive like I'm a teenager.

I call BS on 16.5 in a Gen1 unless you drive downhill both ways. Please provide more information and proof of life.

When the Apocalypse hits I'll be behind the wheel of my trusty Gen1 with a few of my guns and all of my dogs. My wife says she hopes she doesn't survive it, so looks like I'll be single to boot LOL.....At least there will be no more efforts to play crappy chick music in my truck!!!

Yes and Yes

 

[TYRCS]

Holy Christ