Offroading High Speed

[A.I.I.Raciing]

....Maybe have some kind of bar fabbed up.....

I am still debating on that. I want to fab up a hoop but do not have the time right now. I am going try the old trick of using the bolts that hold the seat down. I have an extra long set of belts that I did this trick to in my GT500 for my very first race and I think they may just fit.

Both of these are horrible idea's. The whole reason to put 5 points in the cab is so that your body doesn't move, well what happens when you go over with harness and no cage?


Now if you mount them to the floor your asking for major back problems when you compress your spine.


If were going to bring up safety, please make sure your using the tools correctly, otherwise they can/will hurt you more then help you

 

[BOJANGLES]

Yeah, I'll be the first to admit I'm no safety expert, was really just thinking aloud at how to get mounting points in the cab. But rather than just bash our ideas, why don't you show us something you think would be a better solution, AII...?

When someone flattens out the roof in a roll like that, it really doesn't matter what type of belt or harness you use if there is no cage. That being said, even if you don't have a cage, one could stand to reason that a harness could be useful from a driving standpoint just in the sense that you're jostled around less when maneuvering.

 

[A.I.I.Raciing]

Yeah, I'll be the first to admit I'm no safety expert, was really just thinking aloud at how to get mounting points in the cab. But rather than just bash our ideas, why don't you show us something you think would be a better solution, AII...?

When someone flattens out the roof in a roll like that, it really doesn't matter what type of belt or harness you use if there is no cage. That being said, even if you don't have a cage, one could stand to reason that a harness could be useful from a driving standpoint just in the sense that you're jostled around less when maneuvering.

Sorry if you felt that I was bashing your idea's. I in no way was trying to do that, I may sound very harsh and thats just how I come off to people, but that was not my intention. As far as my solution, just use the stock belts, they are not great for hold you in place, but when you have to move really fast, you have the ability.
There were 2 guys in the Toyota that I posted, both of them walked away with no more than scratch's. Now if they had been in 5 points they would both be dead.

 

[BOJANGLES]

Sorry if you felt that I was bashing your idea's. I in no way was trying to do that, I may sound very harsh and thats just how I come off to people, but that was not my intention. As far as my solution, just use the stock belts, they are not great for hold you in place, but when you have to move really fast, you have the ability.
There were 2 guys in the Toyota that I posted, both of them walked away with no more than scratch's. Now if they had been in 5 points they would both be dead.

It's all good Bro, no love lost. That's pretty incredible that they weren't injured badly! Help me out here, because i'm not fully comprehending the physics of your last statement on my own... I think what you are you saying is that the regular seat belts allowed them to tuck inwards more and lower their heads during the crumple whereas harnesses would've kept them upright and not allowed them to duck away from the crushed cab.... Is that what you mean??

 

[Jake Y.]

Yeah, no harnesses w/out a cage is what i've always been taught! A harness just holds you in place a little too much, but the when the cab is collapsing around you, your body needs to be able to move out of the way.

 

[SilverBolt]

It's critical with harnesses that the mounting points are in the correct position. Shoulder harnesses mounted too high won't keep you in the seat and mounted too low will compress your spine on impact.

 

[JP7]

Let alone what the airbag does to your face.

I always thought the airbag should come filled with popcorn. Then you can munch away while waiting for the ambulance...

 

[IRONMAN]

Let alone what the airbag does to your face.

I always thought the airbag should come filled with popcorn. Then you can munch away while waiting for the ambulance...

Hahaha!
Multi tasking.

 

[Crosstx]

AII is right

another thing to do is look ahead
choose your lines far enough ahead to have time to react to obsticals
if you are only looking right over the hood you are going to have problems
which takes us back to pre-running
even then you still look far ahead and never drive past your ability (comfort zone)
but my opinion is you have to test your limits to know them which is usually expensive lol
but honestly how else do you find them?
**only my opinion**

 

[SPRSNK]

It's all good Bro, no love lost. That's pretty incredible that they weren't injured badly! Help me out here, because i'm not fully comprehending the physics of your last statement on my own... I think what you are you saying is that the regular seat belts allowed them to tuck inwards more and lower their heads during the crumple whereas harnesses would've kept them upright and not allowed them to duck away from the crushed cab.... Is that what you mean??

My guess is that the seats did the normal thing of collapsing backwards and lying the driver and passenger on their backs.

AII is right

another thing to do is look ahead
choose your lines far enough ahead to have time to react to obsticals
if you are only looking right over the hood you are going to have problems
which takes us back to pre-running
even then you still look far ahead and never drive past your ability (comfort zone)
but my opinion is you have to test your limits to know them which is usually expensive lol
but honestly how else do you find them?
**only my opinion**

Utterly correct. With the road racing, I know what the car is capable of and what I am capable of due to experimenting and taking to the edge and beyond. I have broken many parts, been airborne sideways (drainage culvert during a 4 wheels off), and been stuck in 6" of mud from going off track. I knew I was going to push it to the limits, told the track owners of it (private membership track..no one else around) and did it.

AII: Yep, you came across like an ass, but you are correct. I had never thought about the compression of the spine. I shall be putting in a cage in the truck if I ever get serious. Instead of all of us caging our trucks to stay put more, how about a harness bar that will bolt in somewhere in a factory location that will still allow the seats to collapse? Or a Hoop..something!