GEN 2 New here can someone clear the air?

[Raptorguy1]

Tell that to Toyota . They are on 10-12 year cycles.
The current tundra is the same as the 2008 . Still seems to sell.

I know: Somehow it doesn't seem to work for Ford. Toyota must have their own breed of customer that will stay faithful regardless of what they build.

 

[smurfslayer]

I know: Somehow it doesn't seem to work for Ford. Toyota must have their own breed of customer that will stay faithful regardless of what they build.

yeah, they place reliability way over performance. I’m not saying their trucks aren’t capable, if you’re in a place where a fundamentalist shoot out is as likely as morning prayers, the Hi-Lux is the go to platform for a Technical.

The Rap would make a cooler Technical, but Hi-Lux is the go to.
Just sayin’

 

[Raptorguy1]

Because the Power Waggon really put a dent in Raptor sales. Same with the Colorado ZR2. And the TRD Pro. I'm surprised Ford hasn't canceled the Raptor since it sells so poorly. LOL

Just my opinion, but I think the TRX will do better than any of those. It will be the closest thing yet to a Raptor to hit the market.

 

[Raptorguy1]

The V8 would not be offered if there wasn't a sector of the market Ford was expecting to capture by continuing to offer it. Or did I miss the part where Ford removed the V8 as an option for 2019 because they were so sure everyone would buy a V6 instead?

I agree, but there will be a day of reckoning soon weather customers like it or not. They're already pushing Ecoboost in the Mustang and soon an electrified model. The top of the line F-150 doesn't offer a V8 at all. They've killed off the 3.7 N/A engine. I'd be surprised if they still offer a V8 by 2025.

 

[Jake17]

Just my opinion, but I think the TRX will do better than any of those. It will be the closest thing yet to a Raptor to hit the market.

if '19 REBEL's any indication.. TRX could be a step ahead of Raptor
F150 platform is slipping past it's expiry date

 

[drewabbs]

Need the towing power at altitude in Colorado...

Can anyone confirm if a 7.0L V8 is happening?
If it is I am going to wait to 2020. If not I’m going to move early.
Thank you

Ironman2284, specific to your scenario, if you are in Colorado, and happen to be near Denver, you lose ~15% power from naturally aspirated engines anyway. If you are above Denver, this can go above 20% loss (89hp on a 450hp engine). The V8 specs you see at sea level is not how your vehicle will perform. You want the Turbos. Search TLF on youtube, they do a ton of performance match ups almost always at elevation.

http://www.wallaceracing.com/braking-hp.php

 

[Ironman2284]

Ironman2284, specific to your scenario, if you are in Colorado, and happen to be near Denver, you lose ~15% power from naturally aspirated engines anyway. If you are above Denver, this can go above 20% loss (89hp on a 450hp engine). The V8 specs you see at sea level is not how your vehicle will perform. You want the Turbos. Search TLF on youtube, they do a ton of performance match ups almost always at elevation.

http://www.wallaceracing.com/braking-hp.php

Thank you!

Exact reason I’m switching - power at altitude and minor towing (an ATV + side by side).

FWIW Toyota has longer cycles because of the Japanese philosophy... if it’s not broken don’t fix it. Has served them well and why I bought the 4R. It just can’t do what I need it to from a power standpoint. And I certainly don’t trust supercharging it with how new they are.

Gen 2 or waiting to see on a Gen 3 is my route.

Thanks all. Sorry if this thread fanned some flames, but it was helpful to me as a prospective owner.

 

[1BAD454SS]

Comparing new trucks to used trucks is ******* retarded. Looking at used only

2018 - 377 for sale
2017 - 413
2014 - 301
2013 - 257

Since there have been well over 50k Gen2s made and only a few hundred are back on the market, it seems most EcoBoost owners are quite satisfied with their purchase.

50,000 made already, no wonder you can get below invoice deals now

 

[drewabbs]

Thank you!

Exact reason I’m switching - power at altitude and minor towing.

FWIW Toyota has longer cycles.....why I bought the 4R. It just can’t do what I need it to from a power standpoint. And I certainly don’t trust supercharging it with how new they are.
Gen 2 or waiting to see on a Gen 3 is my route.

Owned a Tundra, you would be in the ballpark at least from a towing perspective (up from a 4R). Heavily tested the taco (similar motor but not identical to 4r) and would agree, super-charging that is not a wise decision. After testing the taco, i bought the Canyon, and while nimble and fast, the altitude had a major impact on it.

Remember too, the rear shocks are built for rally, so if you are going to tow anything heavy, you should price in Deavers or Timbrens into your overall costs.

 

[jinskeep]

Being a dealer I don't get much news ahead of the general public but the EcoBoost is a proven winner and with EPA I seriously doubt a V8 will return. I bought a 2014 because last year of V8 but as soon as I drove a 2017, mine was slow! Can't replace the exhaust sound though!