New guy with a few towing mod questions!

[Deleted member 12951]

0, none, nill, zippity squat! You can't increase the trucks capacity above the manufacturer's ratings without legal and liability issues.

Wait, no links that a newbie can click on?

 

[stuntmonkey]

It's been asked like 5 times already, and there has been ONE response from someone barely participating in the thread; What makes it soooooooooo much more dangerous to tow over the 10k limit of the raptors but under the limit of the F150s?

Completely put the legal argument aside, and tell me WHY it is so much more dangerous?

 

[t_j]

It's been asked like 5 times already, and there has been ONE response from someone barely participating in the thread; What makes it soooooooooo much more dangerous to tow over the 10k limit of the raptors but under the limit of the F150s?

Completely put the legal argument aside, and tell me WHY it is so much more dangerous?

Ford Raptor Towing Information

 

[2014RubyRed]

It's been asked like 5 times already, and there has been ONE response from someone barely participating in the thread; What makes it soooooooooo much more dangerous to tow over the 10k limit of the raptors but under the limit of the F150s?

Completely put the legal argument aside, and tell me WHY it is so much more dangerous?

Nothing really. The tow rating is just what Ford puts on them taking into consideration the suspension, tires, etc. Exceed it. Hell, go WAY over it. If the truck doesn't sustain any damage, then you're good, right?

I think the moral of the story with this whole thread is that some of us care about the legality and safety of hauling past the manufacturer's recommended limits. These limits are applied by engineers that know A LOT more than you and I will ever know about the abilities of these trucks. Does that mean we Have to follow the rules? Hell no. Does it mean if we do, we accept responsibility for what could happen? Hell yes.

That responsibility might mean having to stop sooner than you could to avoid t-boning a minivan on the way to the little league game and killing everyone in it. That's extreme, but it's the kind of thing I think of when I see some idiot pulling about 15k more pounds more than he should down the highway.

Hauling slightly over the recommended weights is gonna happen. I heard somewhere that they have a 10% - 15% safety factor figured into the GVRW's just for that reason. They know people are always going to push the envelope and actually build in a safety factor for that. Go much over that and you're asking for trouble. You may not take out your family in an accident, but it may be some other family. Live with that? I don't want to.

If you really need to haul more than the Raptor is rated for, buy or rent a truck capable and safe to do so. "Completely taking the legal argument out of it" just really isn't the adult and responsible thing to do when you're talking about a 6 ton + wrecking ball......

 

[Deleted member 12951]

Ford Raptor Towing Information

There you go, wondering what the hell happened, it wasn't like you. Oh and thanks for that *********** shit on another thread, I should of known better.

 

[HAYNES OFFROAD]

So in going with this set-up, what kind of increased towing/hitch capacity are we looking at on a 2013 SCREW? Im looking at buying a toy hauler as soon as I get back from this deployment to the Middle East and want to be sure my truck can tow it safely.

Being that I was quoted in your post, I feel that I need to reply so as to state my stand on the use of leafs, bump kits, airbags, etc to increase payload capacity.

We do not endorse using any of these forms of modifications to "theoretically" increase payload capacity over the manufacturers (Ford) legal spec.

Yes, these mods may allow you to carry/tow more, but we still highly recommend not going over the manufacturers specifications.

We do recommend using these mods to help control your heavier loads (within weight capacity limits) as there are benefits to using these systems with a heavy payload or trailer. I won't get into details as we have discussed this plenty in other threads, and not the point of this post.

-Joseph Haynes

 

[Enigma94]

It's been asked like 5 times already, and there has been ONE response from someone barely participating in the thread; What makes it soooooooooo much more dangerous to tow over the 10k limit of the raptors but under the limit of the F150s?

Completely put the legal argument aside, and tell me WHY it is so much more dangerous?

Some of the other guys have touched on it, but from everything I've read the reasoning behind the lower tow rating VS the regular F150 tow rating of 10,700LBS is the soft suspension. The frame,brakes, driveline, ect isn't the reason for the lower weight. So I'd assume that if you took a raptor and swapped all the stock F150 suspension over you'd be able to get a 10,700LBS tow rating.

The reason for creating this thread in the first place is to find out the best way to increase the safety of towing at, or slightly over the limit. My trailer is 6500LBS dry, with a tongue weight of 960LBS. well under the limit, but when I hook it up to my truck the rear sags a lot and puts the axle uncomfortably close to the bump stops. So I plan to do the deaver 3+ and the bump stop kit to help elevate that problem. The truck drove fine, stopped fine, wasn't squirly or anything even loaded at what I would guess would be a little over 8,000lbs.

So if you plan to tow at or over the limit these modifications may help you in reducing the sag in the back. Will they make it safer to tow at or above the limit? My GUESS would be yes, but also understand the potential legal liability it could put you in were something to happen and you get caught with towing more than you should be towing. Like others have said, if you need to tow more than 8,000LBS then buy a different truck. Its not easy but you can find toy haulers that allow you to tow within the limits of the raptor, same with regular travel trailers. so if your'e set on towing with your raptor buy a trailer to suit it.

 

[t_j]

A tongue weight of 960lbs leaves you with 60-80lbs for you, anything you added (bumpers lights winches etc), the trucks fuel, any passengers etc. This trailer is over weight for your truck. Tongue weight is included in the payload rating. This is another reason for the low rating.

 

[Enigma94]

A tongue weight of 960lbs leaves you with 60-80lbs for you, anything you added (bumpers lights winches etc), the trucks fuel, any passengers etc. This trailer is over weight for your truck. Tongue weight is included in the payload rating. This is another reason for the low rating.

I understand this. The tongue weight is significantly reduced when loaded. All toy haulers have higher tongue weights to account for rear load. once loaded the weight drops to 750lbs as verified by my tongue weight gauge, well within the trucks limits.