Negotiating 2019 price

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pierceography

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when it gets to that point, sure. She will not be phased in the least, I can assure you. Our test drive of the ’17 was anything but smooth. I think my wife quipped “stop being so juvenile”, saleswoman was goading me “oh, I’ve had worse test drives”.

When my wife and I test drove an '18 in the Spring, we hit some dirt back roads that were in serious need of a re-grade. The dealership GM gave us a scolding for returning the truck with a good amount of mud on it.

I started to be apologetic before my wife cut me off with, "It's an off-road vehicle, what kind of test drive did you think we were going to take it on?" Heart her.
 

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Don't buy 19 if you have 18. The live shock won't be that great. I have strong feeling it's a gimmick. Hold on till v8 or new design.
Same truck same style just change in shock. Don't do it. Not worth it!

Hey look, more great advice from the same guy who told us it would be easy to get $8k off a new 2018 once Ford started making the 2019s.

BTW, how much fun are you having driving your $8k off Raptor? Few things are more awesome than driving an imaginary truck on an imaginary trail.
 

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I am having trouble envisioning how the live action shocks are going to correct the Rap’s rear end wiggle. You’ve got a lightly suspended and leaf sprung, live axle rear with over 400 ft lbs at peak being put to it at times. You get a lot of wheel hop and axle wrap. Stiffening the damping absent the spring rate change and more positive location of the axle will just make it less compliant, all other things being equal.



To be honest I don’t know that it will help but live shock is able to adjust shock valving on the fly and there are sensors implemented that know when the truck is airborne so it can brace for a landing and prevent bottoming out. My hope is the car can sense off camber turns with a big bump, that scenario is known to upset the rear end. Issue being compression and rebound due to soft suspension with simultaneous lateral Gs exerted on the truck. Compression is not the issue but amount of compression is. On rebound the truck gets light then add lateral Gs from turning and you’ve got ass wiggle. Wouldn’t be a stretch for the truck to sense an off camber turn considering the truck can read ride height relative to each side of the truck. Feed in secondary info from the speed sensor and it should know ***** about to go down and adjust accordingly to minimize compression. Maybe it won’t fix the problem completely but that extra shock stiffness should control or slow down compression and slow down rebound on off camber bumps enough to minimize rear end wiggle. I don’t expect it to be as good a solution as the deavers setup and eliminate the problem completely but I hope it’s something they can implement in a acceptable way. I had a M4 with adaptive suspension before and currently have a GT350 with magneride. Both cars do a masterful job of dealing with off camber bumps. Literally a non issue anymore compared to other cars I’ve owned without some form of automatic active shock valving.


Im not concerned about wheel hop. It’s a 7000 lb truck so I don’t care how much power you put into it, it’s not meant for drag racing. I won’t even bother. LOL

There are reviews of live shock on mountain bikes that say the system is able to tell when you’re pedaling uphill and lock out front and rear shocks to prevent bouncing up and down as you pedal uphill. Bouncing makes you lose significant pedaling energy since a lot of your energy is being used to compress the shocks vs straight to the pedal. Normally you manually lock out the shocks but live shock knows what’s happening and does it for you. Similarly it’s reportedly much smoother on the downhill run so in this particular application it’s a huge bonus and gives a stiff setting when needed and a softer more compliant ride when appropriate. Something a static setup can’t do.

That said, I’m concerned also. Live shock is designed for off road performance so who knows what that means for on road performance.
 

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my pa pa just ordered a 19 3k under MSRP. Took me 2 years to get him convinced he needed a Raptor.
 

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That said, I’m concerned also. Live shock is designed for off road performance so who knows what that means for on road performance.

I see it the opposite way. Current shock design is off-road focused and highly compromised on the road. IMO the live shocks will make the biggest difference on the street since it will be able to street-tune the shocks. 80% off-road will go to 100% while 20% street goes to 100%. Far bigger performance gains will be made on the street.
 

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I see it the opposite way. Current shock design is off-road focused and highly compromised on the road. IMO the live shocks will make the biggest difference on the street since it will be able to street-tune the shocks.
I hope you’re right brother because my raptor will be a pavement princess 95% of the time LOL
 

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Im not concerned about wheel hop. It’s a 7000 lb truck so I don’t care how much power you put into it, it’s not meant for drag racing. I won’t even bother. LOL

well... Raptor Assault will disabuse you of this lack of concern.
 

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Don't buy 19 if you have 18. The live shock won't be that great. I have strong feeling it's a gimmick. Hold on till v8 or new design.
Same truck same style just change in shock. Don't do it. Not worth it!
When is the V8 arriving? Is there going to be a new design in 2020?
 

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When is the V8 arriving? Is there going to be a new design in 2020?
I don't expect to ever see them putting a V8 in the raptor,but would hope a new design for 2020. After all, the 19 is pretty much a carry over of the regular 15 F-150. That's quite a while for a truck.
 

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When is the V8 arriving? Is there going to be a new design in 2020?

Never. They sold every Raptor they could make just fine with a TT6. The only reason the V8 even exists in the F150 is for the "I'll never buy a truck without a V8" people.
 
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