Would be nice if they had their own 2018 to test instead ragging on a customer’s. Initial tunes can be nasty to a high performance motor and might take some longevity off of it. I’ll keep my $70k truck safe while you guys work on the $300 tune.
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Except for some communication and flash issues the 18.is exactly the same as the 17. So no
I believe I read somewhere that you are in the northeast. I live in Texas where it hits 100+ with high humidity. Take a stroll down to Texas in August and I feel you will have a different experience. Just an assumption of mine based off my own personal experience. As I have already stated. I’m not questioning this truck tuned making 450whp on the rollers. I’m saying it won’t make that power in real world application in high heat/high humidity conditions. These ecoboost motors are known for heatsoaking even stock. As to the statement of my truck being the problem. I logged my wife’s 17 raptor on same road same conditions. Logged same results as mine stock to stock. IAT on both stock trucks would climb up into the 150’s on hard pulls to 100. Tuned my truck would reach IAT in the 160-170’s and stop accelerating by 105. We can talk logs dyno numbers etc all day.... I care about how it all translates to pavement. I have multiple logs and several videos if you really want proof of what I’m saying.
As to me “Spouting off at the mouth”
Switzer performance describes almost word for word what I experienced. And I quote....
"2017 Raptor Update:
We have been slowly pushing things up and evaluating everything patiently as we go. We are now approaching the 550lb ft mark to the tires and approx 540whp on the dyno. Real world performance has shown us some weaknesses and things that needed improvement. We took the stock intercooler as far as we could take it... at approximately 400 whp I would say its tapped out. Since we are tuning on 93 octane, intercooling becomes very important for maximizing our results and keeping the power consistent, especially on longer pulls.
We are finishing up a monstrous intercooler setup for the truck and we will be resuming tuning shortly. The goal is to be able to maintain the attained power we are making on short dyno rips through all gear runs in the real world.
We've run mid 13's so far but the stock intercooler was heat soaking so badly at the new power levels that it was basically neutering the truck after the first couple of gears.
That's all for now!"
I guess Switzer is spouting off at the mouth too. But what the heck do they know about tuning twin turbo 6 cylinder engines??
As to me “Spouting off at the mouth”
Switzer performance describes almost word for word what I experienced. And I quote....
"2017 Raptor Update:
We have been slowly pushing things up and evaluating everything patiently as we go. We are now approaching the 550lb ft mark to the tires and approx 540whp on the dyno. Real world performance has shown us some weaknesses and things that needed improvement. We took the stock intercooler as far as we could take it... at approximately 400 whp I would say its tapped out. Since we are tuning on 93 octane, intercooling becomes very important for maximizing our results and keeping the power consistent, especially on longer pulls.
We are finishing up a monstrous intercooler setup for the truck and we will be resuming tuning shortly. The goal is to be able to maintain the attained power we are making on short dyno rips through all gear runs in the real world.
We've run mid 13's so far but the stock intercooler was heat soaking so badly at the new power levels that it was basically neutering the truck after the first couple of gears.
That's all for now!"
I guess Switzer is spouting off at the mouth too. But what the heck do they know about tuning twin turbo 6 cylinder engines??
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Switzer has a great reputation.
They also have never tuned an ecoboost engine. So, no, they aren’t the gospel.
I don’t care what tune you run, or what vehicle you drive.... in 100+ degrees it’s going to suffer from the heat, especially if you’re making repeated WOT runs. If you want to solve that problem you’re going to need more than a huge intercooler. You’re going to need to Inject.
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And you’re assuming I think you were lying.
Reread what I wrote. I don’t think you’re lying, and I think that would be very disrespectful for me to accuse you of such.
If that’s how my post came off I want to apologize. That wasn’t my intention.
I questioned if there wasn’t an issue with your truck.
However, now hearing the conditions you were running in, I almost have to say.... “Dude, what did you think would happen?”
You’re regurgitating Switzer, so I do stand by my advice in not buying into necessarily what someone else is selling or will be selling.
They also have never tuned an ecoboost engine. So, no, they aren’t the gospel.
I don’t care what tune you run, or what vehicle you drive.... in 100+ degrees it’s going to suffer from the heat, especially if you’re making repeated WOT runs. If you want to solve that problem you’re going to need more than a huge intercooler. You’re going to need to Inject.
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And you’re assuming I think you were lying.
Reread what I wrote. I don’t think you’re lying, and I think that would be very disrespectful for me to accuse you of such.
If that’s how my post came off I want to apologize. That wasn’t my intention.
I questioned if there wasn’t an issue with your truck.
However, now hearing the conditions you were running in, I almost have to say.... “Dude, what did you think would happen?”
You’re regurgitating Switzer, so I do stand by my advice in not buying into necessarily what someone else is selling or will be selling.
definitely a joke. i contacted them and they said they havent been able to get a local truck to test yet. Which i know theyve at least had an opportunity based on reading through this thread. SMH and i missed the group buy for whipple so im going to figure something out im anxious to do something..
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Damn you guys are harsh. I am not exactly sure what the issue is with the 18s, but If I had to guess, I am going to bet that they might have issues with the ecu on the 18s. The engine and tranny are the same but the Bosch ecu may have been updated with a different encryption scheme? Not sure, just guessing.
I have the MPT tune on my 17, and I have been taking my time with understanding how each makes my truck behave. Tbh, the tranny only and tow tune wasn’t that great. Feels like it could be refined a bit more. The shifting felt jerky at the lower gears and there seems to be a tendency to hold some gears too long.
However, the PRX tune, even the 91 octane only, is nothing short of amazing! I was expecting power delivery to be similar to the tow, only more boost, and the shifting to be okay, but I am blown away by how smooth it is and how great the drivability is!
Is the IC sufficient? Maybe. Depends on how and where you use it. I have had plenty of boosted cars and I know how much it sucks to have all the power get pulled once the fun starts. I have not seen it with this truck yet, and if it does, I will spend a few bucks on a decent one.
Of all of the money spent on this truck, the $300 was the best by a Texas mile.
I have the MPT tune on my 17, and I have been taking my time with understanding how each makes my truck behave. Tbh, the tranny only and tow tune wasn’t that great. Feels like it could be refined a bit more. The shifting felt jerky at the lower gears and there seems to be a tendency to hold some gears too long.
However, the PRX tune, even the 91 octane only, is nothing short of amazing! I was expecting power delivery to be similar to the tow, only more boost, and the shifting to be okay, but I am blown away by how smooth it is and how great the drivability is!
Is the IC sufficient? Maybe. Depends on how and where you use it. I have had plenty of boosted cars and I know how much it sucks to have all the power get pulled once the fun starts. I have not seen it with this truck yet, and if it does, I will spend a few bucks on a decent one.
Of all of the money spent on this truck, the $300 was the best by a Texas mile.
It is clear to me i know shit all about tunes. Ive had jeeps and built them all my life.
So here is the real question.
Do i boot the PC and chipwerks and get an MTP at 1200 miles in or just wait? I have a 2018 and when i contacted MTP they said they dont have a 2018 tune yet.
So here is the real question.
Do i boot the PC and chipwerks and get an MTP at 1200 miles in or just wait? I have a 2018 and when i contacted MTP they said they dont have a 2018 tune yet.
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In the time that it has taken MPT to finalize the 2018 tune, Whipple was able to get a tuning device to work on 2018s and threw it in essentially for free with their stage 1 kit.
