Ford Performance Tune for Gen 3s

[John813]

Correct me if I'm wrong but to date we have:

1. Whipple tune (stage 1) to make an amazing 80* foot pounds of torque and 30* horsepower more than stock
2. Livernois-23 need to get a new ECM peak vs. peak gains of over 83WHP and 113WTQ, with maximum gains of over 90WHP and 117WTQ
3 Ford Performance ecoqueef numbers

 

[leadfoot310]

Yea it is extremely lame… no way I’d spend that much money on a tune that gives that kind of disappointing HP gains… Should give us enough to beat the RHO… hurry up after market tuners

Agreed. I have a 2024 801A on the way and was planning on buying the FP tune for it. The tune is not currently available for 2024 and even if it was, I would not spend the money for it. I will likely cancel my 2024 order and wait until Gen 4.

 

[xlover]

Would love to know what FP was thinking…

This smells to me like a bit of corp silo work, the 3.0 and 3.5 teams were sent off to make a tune to add power but still would be safe for the driveline and the two teams picked wildly different balance points. And no where was there any checkpoint on where the targets were landing till it came time to put the marketing release together.

Explains why the nonsense attempt to squeeze the biggest gain of 26hp talking point into the release vs the peak hp/tq difference.

Explains how the base 3.5 graph originally showed the same curve and peak numbers as the raptor graph, the original intent was probably to have both 3.5s on the same bump up but someone scrambled because the look wouldn’t be good and pushed the base 3.5 down to match the HO tune but didn’t clean up all the materials

3.0 team is laughing about thiswhile getting great reviewer feedback. 3.5 team scrambling while looking incompetent and tone deaf with mismatched materials and negative feedback for small gains

 

[New recaros]

I bet if you do a before and after dyno run on the other tunes, you would see some major variations in power increase. Ford, can’t do that. You will get the 26, probably more. Ford has a vested interest to ensure reliability where Cobb and others have less concern for that. I have never seen a guarantee of power output, just graphs with a lot of conditions and disclaimers. Only a pro like Goose can maximize each truck. Just my opinion, have fun with it. I’ll add,, canned tunes must work for all engines

 

[Domin0]

Agreed. I have a 2024 801A on the way and was planning on buying the FP tune for it. The tune is not currently available for 2024 and even if it was, I would not spend the money for it. I will likely cancel my 2024 order and wait until Gen 4.

We’re probably viewed as dummies, but one of the major reasons I bought into the EB Raptors was the tuning potential. ‘23+ ECU security has still not been broken, and this pitiful FP tune doesn’t apply to ‘24s. I have no interest in maintaining stock power, and have spent a lot of time shopping around for something else recently.

 

[shigman]

Imagine the horror if the gen 4 is still 450hp , and even more locked down. There was quite a bit of shock that the gen 3 wasn't rated for extra power, no real guarantee with the gen 4 either even with the RHO out there.

 

[mleaky]

I'm not defending the FP tune, but I think we may have lost sight of where the 3.5 EB started in terms of HP/Torque.

Base 3.5 EB - 400hp / 500 Torque
HO 3.5EB - 450hp / 510 Torque
FP 3.5EB - 466hp / 554 Torque

To me Ford has already tuned the engine from Base to HO, and the new FP tune goes slightly higher, but when you are already at the HO level there may not be much room to go higher reliably.

If I was starting at 400hp and was going to get 50-70 additional horse power I would be excited, starting at 450hp and getting an additional 26hp...not so much.

 

[greatone99]

I'm not defending the FP tune, but I think we may have lost sight of where the 3.5 EB started in terms of HP/Torque.

Base 3.5 EB - 400hp / 500 Torque
HO 3.5EB - 450hp / 510 Torque
FP 3.5EB - 466hp / 554 Torque

To me Ford has already tuned the engine from Base to HO, and the new FP tune goes slightly higher, but when you are already at the HO level there may not be much room to go higher reliably.

If I was starting at 400hp and was going to get 50-70 additional horse power I would be excited, starting at 450hp and getting an additional 26hp...not so much.

these trucks can push 600 ft torque with no issues ,that ford tune is a joke

 

[tone228]

Curious to hear @GooseTuned expert opinion about the FP tune and why it’s so mild.

 

[Domin0]

Further diminishing the 3.5 Raptor’s specialness - the new 2025 Expedition can be had with the same motor, sans 10HP.

https://www.ford.com/suvs/expedition/2025/