Ford finally caving into pressure?

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melvimbe

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Yup. Why do you think Ford is investing in Rivian? I predict that Ford will stay in the game, FCA will go bankrupt, and GM will get big government handouts.

Electric trucks are coming, but they are a long way from completely overtaking ICE trucks in any segment of the market. They aren't going to be good as work trucks or hauling toys due to battery/weight issues. They perform well offroad, but are still going to be a concern since you can't easily recharge off road. It's going to appeal to those who have light duty...really light duty, expectations. That would be going back and forth to work and picking up a few things at Hope Depot.

It's going to take time to win other population as well as solve the energy density problem.
 

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Electric trucks are coming, but they are a long way from completely overtaking ICE trucks in any segment of the market...

Agreed, but hybrid is definitely coming and uses most of the same tech. Swap 95% of the battery pack for an ICE and a generator and you're off to the races. Literally.
 

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Funny, but you're comparing a hard core off road truck to something being billed as a pick up, not an off road truck. Hopefully the quality of his truck is better than the shatter proof windows it has. LOL

No, I'm comparing a regular F150, say a Lariat with some nice creature comforts yet can go 500 miles on a tank, stop 10 minutes, fill up and go another 500 miles all with 1000lbs in the bed and another 7500lbs in tow.
 

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Agreed, but hybrid is definitely coming and uses most of the same tech. Swap 95% of the battery pack for an ICE and a generator and you're off to the races. Literally.

I'm curious to see how well the 'powerboost' is integrated in. I have this sense that it's not going to feel like you're switching between electric and gas so much as it's going to be more or of a supplement that kicks in for more power when you need it, similar to ecoboost.
 

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My money is on Elon. I don't trust anyone who cant even spell out get the **** out of here laugh out loud.

Fan of Tesla/Elon Musk - but the EV fad is way too early for large scale adoption, way too many obstacles to attend to, not the least of which would be the "ethos" or "calling card" if you will of EV's being green is COMPLETELY fraudulent until the grid itself is majority "green"/renewable & until we start building nuclear power plants @ large scale or some miracle new "green" energy tech comes to light.....it'll be a long time coming. Then you gotta deal w/ the sheer amount of TIME it takes to fully charge an EV (aside from the lack of charging station infrastructure relative to ICE) - IF it "only" took 30 mins to fully charge an EV, that'd STILL be 3-4x longer than it would take to fill the thirstiest & largest diesel trucks out there. THEN you need to consider the "real world" usage in inclement weather - extreme heat or extreme cold - & figure out how to deal w/ the ramifications that puts on the batteries etc etc etc They also need to develop more sustainable/reasonable methods of procuring, producing, & RECYCLING the lithium ion batteries.....as of right now, finite supply & not fully recyclable - by comparison, lead acid batteries are fully closed loop recyclable. Aluminum-ion batteries are possibility, but that tech needs alot of time to catch up, right now the size vs. energy contained is not conducive to placing in vehicles

Parlor trick/fad until the infrastructure & everything else catches up w/ the car's tech
 

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Not a fan of Elon Musk or the failed Tesla experiment on the backs of tax payers. They are over valued by wall street and will be a footnote in the history of government trying to pick winners / losers.

If there is a market for these vehicles, they will come when the technology is ready. For larger production / adoption / profitability it will require at least another generation in battery technology.
 

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I'm curious to see how well the 'powerboost' is integrated in. I have this sense that it's not going to feel like you're switching between electric and gas so much as it's going to be more or of a supplement that kicks in for more power when you need it, similar to ecoboost.

Me too. But I think it's a first step. Everyone thinks that the jump to electric will happen overnight. It won't, for lots of reasons. It may never happen short of government mandate. But an electric drivetrain, a modest battery, and an ICE? It's going to happen.
 

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Fan of Tesla/Elon Musk - but the EV fad is way too early for large scale adoption, way too many obstacles to attend to, not the least of which would be the "ethos" or "calling card" if you will of EV's being green is COMPLETELY fraudulent until the grid itself is majority "green"/renewable & until we start building nuclear power plants @ large scale or some miracle new "green" energy tech comes to light.....it'll be a long time coming.

One aspect of this that I think the masses don't quite understand is that once you fire up a turbine at a power plant, your burning that power whether there's power draw or not. Basically, power gets produced in MW blocks that are turned on/off to meet the demand. Naturally demand is lower at night when AC isn't running, people are sleeping, etc, so fewer turbines are running. This is why power companies are charging less or giving it away for free at night. it costs them nothing since they have to run a turbine anyway.

So in that regarding, charging up your vehicle overnight is a lot greener/cheaper than it charging during the day, adding to the already high demand. An electric vehicle makes says as a daily commute driver, not at all for long trips.

Not a fan of Elon Musk or the failed Tesla experiment on the backs of tax payers. They are over valued by wall street and will be a footnote in the history of government trying to pick winners / losers.

By what measure have they failed? Did Tesla promise to turn profitable or reach a level of market penetration that they haven't met yet? It my understanding that they are selling them faster than they can produce them. They are essentially driving others to get in to all electric vehicles.

I do think there are plenty of issues with electric vehicles, and we never be at a point where electric vehicles dominant the road, but Tesla seems to be doing quite well.
 

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No, I'm comparing a regular F150, say a Lariat with some nice creature comforts yet can go 500 miles on a tank, stop 10 minutes, fill up and go another 500 miles all with 1000lbs in the bed and another 7500lbs in tow.

Sorry. Misunderstood your post. Thought you were being sarcastic.
The tree huggers will love Elon's truck thinking they're saving the planet, not realizing the pollution created in production and disposal of the batteries.
 
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