RAPTORSV
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Why would you even want too? I've never even seen E-30 at a gas station in my life, must be a Midwest thing.
Flex fuel on a brand new ford raptor 6.2 2013?
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tipnring
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Lucky for me the don't sell gay gas where I live... "Not that there's anything wrong with that!"
Wilson
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e-30 is fine think about it they don't change part's it's to cost prohibiting. e-30 is fine if e-19 is it's only 11% more.
Humvee21
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Don't worry about the lower octane. You are actually paying for higher octane gasoline rather than lower octane gasoline mixed with ethanol to "boost" the octane. See, ethanol is less volatile than gas, which gives its high octane (more resistant to detonation). Because of this, lower octane gasoline can be used and then mixed with ethanol in order to achieve that octane rating that you see at the pump. For example, say you are paying for gas that is 10% ethanol and 87 octane, the actual gas that is not ethanol is lower than 87 octane and the ethanol that is added is of higher octane which balances out to 87. Now, if you buy 87 octane with 0% ethanol, you are paying 100% for 87 octane gas.
In shorter terms, **** ethanol.
DynoDynge
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Yeah, they don't change anything.........Other than the injector size & the program running in the ECU. My sarcasm was wasted in my previous post, I see.
Ethanol takes DOUBLE the volume to do the same work, or in other words, your vehicle will run dangerously lean if the fuel management cannot dump enough in to make up the difference in the air/fuel ratio.
Ford engineers, unlike corn barons, have this figured out & when they tell you to NOT run a concentration greater than 10% ethanol in your vehicle, there is consequences if you do.
I make a ton of money repairing the damage ethanol does to the fuel systems of motorcycles & ATVs, but I would never promote it's use...................
Wilson
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so I have 4k miles on my can am. The only thing I have ran in it since new has been e-30 most of my driving is like this.
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I agree 100% they the gas companies use ethanol to get rid of their inferior gas the crap gas that is outlawed so IMAO they should not be mixing it with ethanol. but it's one way to use up cheap no good gas. once again why I like e-30 it is mixed with better gas. The only reason the ford motor company says you can't put anything over 20% in a non flex fuel is the epa has not approved it. It's funny the epa allows are truck's to be built.
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---------- Post added at 11:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:28 PM ----------
I agree 100% they the gas companies use ethanol to get rid of their inferior gas the crap gas that is outlawed so IMAO they should not be mixing it with ethanol. but it's one way to use up cheap no good gas. once again why I like e-30 it is mixed with better gas. The only reason the ford motor company says you can't put anything over 20% in a non flex fuel is the epa has not approved it. It's funny the epa allows are truck's to be built.
DynoDynge
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You need to quit DRINKING that ethanol!
ENGINEERS at Ford are the ones telling you to not run ethanol in your non-flex motor over 15%.......IT VOIDS YOUR WARRANTY!
You lose all credibility when you recommend people to do things when it puts money in your pocket, Wilson. Corn barons or oil sheiks....No difference.
And where did you hear about the oil companies using inferior fuel to mix with ethanol? Because ANY fuel you mix with ethanol becomes inferior fuel! The fuel gets it octane rating from the ethanol & is produced that way on purpose.
Cleave
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the 6.2L engine will run fine on ethanol blends, it does no damage to the engine, the problem is the fuel system, ethanol is caustic and eats away at the rubber in the fuel system, such as the o-rings and fuel lines, there is nothing wrong with telling people ethanol is a good fuel, it is, beyond 100 octane, it's far cheaper to run ethanol than gasoline, and as long as you have the fuel system made for it, there is no harm to be done, but wilson, you should make sure everyone you recommend E-blends to knows that the fuel system wasn't made for it and that it requires tuning for blends over a certain percentage, but it is a simple modification to convert over to an ethanol fuel system
DynoDynge
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Requires tuning is the correct answer, but you must also understand the limits of a fuel injected system to deliver adequate fuel at high rpms. If it was not designed to deliver the extra volume required to run on higher levels of ethanol, it will run dangerously lean......This is something the engineers are very aware of when they set the limits of ethanol by volume. Between phase separation & water accumulation properties, ethanol is not a viable fuel for long term use & without Federal subsidies, it would be way more expensive to run in your vehicle.
