My Lexus is going into the shop because of a electrical issues that affects my AC. Taking a minute to turn on and not being able to cut the AC off completely. They said they probably forgot to connect something when they replaced the filter when I was in for my oil change just recently. I too had a 470 before the 570 . Yes they were reliable. But I agree vanilla is a good way to describe them. I would say the raptor is anything but.