Catastrophic engine failure at 22K

[OrangeAddict]

So is it just me or does this seem to be a trend? Are the Ford service technicians at these dealers trained enough to deal with an engine swap on the SVT Raptor or anything other than normal maintenance? I know that 2 public incidents may not be enough to say it is a trend but how many have gone unreported since they do not know about this forum or have not reported their issues. I know in my experience I have had several sales guys and service technicians at various ford dealer ship verbally demonstrate their lack of knowledge about the vehicle.

 

[Yukon Joe]

Man oh man. Sorry for all your trouble. Hang in there. Hopefully between FRF, Crystal and the dealerships we can get you truck back to the sound working machine it should be.

I'm also curious if it's the 5.4 or 6.2 engine.
@OrangeAddict - I agree regarding the trend. It's not just with the engine, but with the steering and the four wheel drive systems as well. There are numerous accounts of FRF members who have had multiple dealings with the Ford tech's to correct theses issues.

Yukon Joe
www.RUNRAPTORRUN.com

 

[OrangeAddict]

Man oh man. Sorry for all your trouble. Hang in there. Hopefully between FRF, Crystal and the dealerships we can get you truck back to the sound working machine it should be.

I'm also curious if it's the 5.4 or 6.2 engine.
@OrangeAddict - I agree regarding the trend. It's not just with the engine, but with the steering and the four wheel drive systems as well. There are numerous accounts of FRF members who have had multiple dealings with the Ford tech's to correct theses issues.

Yukon Joe
www.RUNRAPTORRUN.com

You would think there would be a svt certification or something? Or maybe a way for members to find SVT certified tech introns at dealerships in their area. It is not perfect but might be a step in the right direction.

 

[COBRA90GT]

^ LOL That's funny because Ford used to actually have the whole "certification" thing around many years ago for their SVT products to a certain extent before that program slowly faded away.

 

[Icecobra]

This really points me to a trend I see more often today.. Employers paying minimum amounts to get employees that may not be totally qualified for the job but willing to work for the pay offered. I have heard this complaint from employers , "people just don't show up for work and simply don't even call". Today for many on both sides of the equation they don't take the job seriously. They just get a whatever employee and the employee gets a whatever job.. I say whatever because its the attitude both sides will end up in and say "whatever".. As an employer if you want better employees pay better. Make the job valuable and people will want to work there.. For employees if your not happy with the pay offered say so and make sure it is worth your time to show up and do a good job.. Mediocre pay gets mediocre workers.. Stop settling for mediocrity... And unhappy customers will stop calling you... I am lucky in my area the Ford dealer pays pretty well and the techs do a good job usually...

 

[mikehoncho88]

Just based on the OP's story I would guess his truck was taken on a "joyride" by some ******** techs after the brake job was completed. I'm hearing too many stories like this on here.

Any ideas on a surveilance system to help prevent this for others?

 

[sabumaru]

Just for that reason alone i would want a cam+blackbox setup

It sucks that stuff **** this happens

My lil bro is a master mechanic at peugeot
Partmof his job is makin joyrides to find problems with cars
Like pushing a police undercovercar to over 160mph

One thing they learn is warm up the car break 5 times every time lil harder to heat them up slowly

When i told him about this he realy feels like some rooky **** the truck out
Put it manual and reffed the engine high for way to long

 

[Raptor911]

Please note just because it says SVT it does not mean it is mechanically that different from the F-150. Yes a SVT vehicle tends to have the extras but at the end of the day ... svt is just a marketing ploy.

to the OP. I am not a mechanic but I know lots of mechanics and like the retail employee they move from shop to shop. You may walk into a ford dealership and have the service manager tell you we will put our best guy on it but don't be surprise that their best mechanic just 6 months ago worked at a chevy dealership.

The best mechanics are the ones that have seen and dealt with the same issue over and over again. But at the end of the day most techs just don't care simply because it is not their car.

So is it just me or does this seem to be a trend? Are the Ford service technicians at these dealers trained enough to deal with an engine swap on the SVT Raptor or anything other than normal maintenance? I know that 2 public incidents may not be enough to say it is a trend but how many have gone unreported since they do not know about this forum or have not reported their issues. I know in my experience I have had several sales guys and service technicians at various ford dealer ship verbally demonstrate their lack of knowledge about the vehicle.

 

[OrangeAddict]

Please note just because it says SVT it does not mean it is mechanically that different from the F-150. Yes a SVT vehicle tends to have the extras but at the end of the day ... svt is just a marketing ploy.

to the OP. I am not a mechanic but I know lots of mechanics and like the retail employee they move from shop to shop. You may walk into a ford dealership and have the service manager tell you we will put on best guy on it but don't be surprise that their best mechanic just 6 months ago worked at a chevy dealership.

The best mechanics are the ones that have seen and dealt with the same issue over and over again. But at the end of the day most techs just don't care simply because it is not their car.

I agree that there are not too many mechanical differences between a non-SVT vehicle and a SVT vehicle be it a F-150 or a Mustang. SVT definitely has a marketing portion to it. I also am under the impression that SVT development is a set of engineers separate from the other development engineers at FORD which allows for deviation of parts from the normal production vehicle, while still being under the same production line constraints.

As for the mechanic the vehicles should be very similar. I was just thinking training on specific problems/differences would be a good thing for the mechanic. I do know, first hand, that some dealerships pay for training their techs regularly and others don't do so much. Your milage may vary depending on what is important to that particular dealerships leadership.

In regards to your main point, that the mechanic does not care because it is not their car, I personally think your 100% right. I don't think all tech's take this attitude because I would like to think that people still take pride in their work and good jobs. I think you find this pride more outside of a dealership with personal shop ownership, since it is really the tech's name on the sign.

 

[Raptor911]

Also note a mechanic makes $$ on volume or how many hours he can bill on a job. If you come in with a car with an issue that he can't fix but his next job he can fix and make money then he will move on.

I agree with you. An independent shop who has his or her reputation at stake and wants your business (and future business) will care. I don't think most dealerships care simply because most owners think that because they have a Ford product and therefore a Ford dealership knows best. THIS IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. I even think the opposite is true. Dealerships may have the best equipment but most of their techs are just like any other tech. They are not better just because they work at Ford dealership and they are working on a ford product.

I agree that there are not too many mechanical differences between a non-SVT vehicle and a SVT vehicle be it a F-150 or a Mustang. SVT definitely has a marketing portion to it. I also am under the impression that SVT development is a set of engineers separate from the other development engineers at FORD which allows for deviation of parts from the normal production vehicle, while still being under the same production line constraints.

As for the mechanic the vehicles should be very similar. I was just thinking training on specific problems/differences would be a good thing for the mechanic. I do know, first hand, that some dealerships pay for training their techs regularly and others don't do so much. Your milage may vary depending on what is important to that particular dealerships leadership.

In regards to your main point, that the mechanic does not care because it is not their car, I personally think your 100% right. I don't think all tech's take this attitude because I would like to think that people still take pride in their work and good jobs. I think you find this pride more outside of a dealership with personal shop ownership, since it is really the tech's name on the sign.