Another hint at the future of Ford

[Kaz109]

Going backwards is what the current Raptor will feel like lined up next to a S/C V8 Raptor.

When a recharge is going to take 6 hrs because it's -20 F and all you have is a 120V outlet in the middle of butt **** nowhere- you will fully realize why gas trucks will dominate for a long time to come.

Which has to do with power not because one is a V6 and one is a V8 lol

Just stop with your v8 BS, we get it you like V8 but they are not the be all in all. You line up a power boost motor what's similar power to an SC V8 and the results will be as expected....very close.

 

[EricM]

Which has to do with power not because one is a V6 and one is a V8 lol

Just stop with your v8 BS, we get it you like V8 but they are not the be all in all. You line up a power boost motor what's similar power to an SC V8 and the results will be as expected....very close.

Get over the whole "this vs that" thing. It's simply a matter of engine size vs boost levels and available octane in pump gas. Ford has to move to a bigger engine to compete.

When compared apples to apples- a V8 will make 33% more power than a V6 in every scenario. You can add turbos to a V8. You can add blowers to a V8. You can add hybrid assist to a V8.

There is no replacement for displacement. Bigger engines ALWAYS make more power when comparing apples to apples. Alternatively, the bigger engine can be "turned down" to still make the same power as the smaller engine, but with lower cylinder pressures and bearing wear- ie more reliability.

V8s are not "BS". They are simply better engines than V6s in every regard, with the only exceptions being additional weight and size. The extra weight is nothing compared to the extra power. The extra size does matter in some instances, but not in a F150.

 

[DFS]

Get over the whole "this vs that" thing. It's simply a matter of engine size vs boost levels and available octane in pump gas. Ford has to move to a bigger engine to compete.

When compared apples to apples- a V8 will make 33% more power than a V6 in every scenario. You can add turbos to a V8. You can add blowers to a V8. You can add hybrid assist to a V8.

There is no replacement for displacement. Bigger engines ALWAYS make more power when comparing apples to apples. Alternatively, the bigger engine can be "turned down" to still make the same power as the smaller engine, but with lower cylinder pressures and bearing wear- ie more reliability.

V8s are not "BS". They are simply better engines than V6s in every regard, with the only exceptions being additional weight and size. The extra weight is nothing compared to the extra power. The extra size does matter in some instances, but not in a F150.

Why not a V10? Or V12 then? Bigger engines are ALWAYS better as you indicate. Just run at a lower percentage of available output for less wear and stress? I mean size and weight aside.

 

[richnot]

Maybe we should consider that there will be a need and use for both fuel and electric. Why knock both both down?

The first electric car was built around 1832 and have improve upon since, in 1890 the first electric SUV was born in the USA. They have been improving ever since.

Remember when Harley Davidson released the VRod their first water cooled bike and how people flipped out? Most people don`t even know that the 2014 on up touring bikes and other models have water cooled heads.
Now you can buy a LiveWire electric Harley not to mention Harley electric bicycles and scooters

Candle`s have changed very little except in what they use and how they make them.
Light bulbs have changed immensely but yet some people still use both, just look at the forums about rear license plate bulbs, your a fool to change them and your a fool if you don`t

With the Green cars and trucks along with solar panels and wind turbines and other forms of producing electricity and manufactured, how many are made from a green energy source and not a coal fired electric plant? You can take it back to each individual part, from the steel mills to the glass manufactures, the power has to come from somewhere. I have solar panels on my house and could not be happier with them but I drive a Raptor that drinks a lot of fuel.
I have a Harley that I would never give up but I have ridden a Zero electric motorcycle and it launched harder then most sport bikes Iv`e owned. Great choice for the parks service and other areas where it just plain quiet when it goes by

I would think there is room enough in the world for both

People need to open their minds, the same image is shown when you are chastised for the color of the truck you bought or the customization you have done. Unless you custom wrap your truck chances are there thousands of the same color so why hate?

If the mods are not to your liking I would bet that the parts are not a one-off so people are buying them. Not your taste, don`t hate. If you want every truck white or whatever color and only certain mods to be made I`m sure that there are Country's that are like that. Try to find your truck (made in the only color that it should be made in) in a parking lot full of the same
Freedom of choice of everything is what was fought for

IMO

 

[EricM]

Why not a V10? Or V12 then? Bigger engines are ALWAYS better as you indicate. Just run at a lower percentage of available output for less wear and stress? I mean size and weight aside.

Good question! Size and weight aside, there is no downside.

If you look at things that need big power- gen sets, trains, ships, they do use big diesel V12s, V16s etc. Ford's 6.8L V10 gas engines have been extremely popular in non-diesel HD applications. They drink fuel, but they make gobs of torque and are reliable as can be. The new 7.3L Godzilla V8 is replacing the 15 year old 6.8L V10.

In a front engine, RWD passenger vehicle though- the length is the issue. V10s are pushing it. V12s are nearly impossible to fit. V8s are the sweet spot for exterior size vs available displacement.

 

[EricM]

The first electric car was built around 1832 and have improve upon since, in 1890 the first electric SUV was born in the USA.

So this is the 188th year in a row that electric cars have not sold well.

I mean, I get what you are saying, but "energy density". That's still the huge issue with no big breakthrough in sight, even though it's always been just around the corner. When that DOES happen, things will actually change much more quickly. As long as Li-ion packs are the go-to, it's going to be expensive, range limited, and take forever to refuel compared to gas.

 

[BroncoAZ]

Looks like that car in the video is a Demon killer.

Electric trucks like the Rivian and the Tesla Cybertruck will be game changers. Tesla is getting the infrastructure and charge times developed enough that I would certainly consider one next time around. I’m potentially looking at my Raptor as my last gas truck, if I keep it for 6-8 years I think the electrics will be common enough that the prices are reasonable. As much as people love to bag on the aesthetics of the Tesla truck, the price shown on my mid range 4x4 I reservation with the self drive feature was $57K. For the same price as a loaded F-150 XLT or base Lariat I can get the electric. Who knows what that vehicle will actually look like when it arrives, but I do want to see it made as it will force all the other trucks to compete.

 

[DFS]

Good question! Size and weight aside, there is no downside.

If you look at things that need big power- gen sets, trains, ships, they do use big diesel V12s, V16s etc. Ford's 6.8L V10 gas engines have been extremely popular in non-diesel HD applications. They drink fuel, but they make gobs of torque and are reliable as can be. The new 7.3L Godzilla V8 is replacing the 15 year old 6.8L V10.

In a front engine, RWD passenger vehicle though- the length is the issue. V10s are pushing it. V12s are nearly impossible to fit. V8s are the sweet spot for exterior size vs available displacement.

Yes, definitely no reliability issues. Timing becomes much more difficult with more cylinders, more things to go wrong/break. Bigger is not always better. Horsepower or "potential horsepower" is not the end all in engines fortunately. Raptor's fall into a weird category with this, but muscle/sports/super/hyper cars are the only place where horsepower is king. And you don't see many hyper cars running W-16 or V-12 anymore, with a few exceptions. Ferrari, Porsche, and McClaren would all argue with your "no replacement for displacement". It's about finding a balance of horsepower and weight, and how that horsepower is developed/availability. Straight line cars, yes horsepower is it. I still prefer my lawn mower Raptor to a TRX, I can go hunting 200 miles out and 200 back with little concern. Obviously everyone has their opinion and we have different ones.

 

[SS308]

I believe (unfortunately) the future is electric. Just not as fast as car manufacturers would like, no matter how hard they push (You listening AOC!). I don't believe it will be a battery issue.

https://newatlas.com/energy/nano-diamond-self-charging-batteries-ndb/

It will be the cost of the vehicles themselves. Only the rich will be able to afford them, at first (what else is new). Until it is finally mass produced (the more they sell the lower the cost) then will it be made affordable.

You will not have to plug them in.

 

[John813]

Electric is the future. Ford will no doubt one day have an all electric lineup.

But, I don't see how possibility making a limited run of a 5.2 SC Raptor as going backwards.

If Ford is in fact going to battle the TRX in HP wars, they have a proven 5.2 SC engine already that pushes 750hp.

The Cobrajet is a niche car, that isn't street legal. No vin

Looks like that car in the video is a Demon killer.

It's a killer of 99% of cars lol.

But it's true rival is the Dodge Drag Pak.

Which is still faster on the strip, supposedly