500+ HP on gen 3??

[Bluto]

What about the option of adding the power boost? Up the ecoboost engine to only take 91 octane and get the tune up to 500 hp. Add in the power boost option for another 50hp. Total of 550 hp. I would think that might be enough to win in a drag race against the trx.

 

[Roc Nichols]

725HP 5.2 straight out of the GT down tune to fit the truck. Im talking 2022

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

I think the 3rd Gen will see a bump in power. With the 2nd Gen being 450hp/510tq, I could see the 3rd Gen EcoPoop Raptor being around 500hp/550tq.

 

[JefferyGT]

We know that the intake and exhaust systems have been redesigned. So this alone will affect horsepower... slightly.

 

[TXRaptor]

We know that the intake and exhaust systems have been redesigned. So this alone will affect horsepower... slightly.

Everything I have read says the Gen 2 intake and exhaust are not the limiting factors for our engines. In other words, increasing the size of both will not generate more horse power, unless they also increase the size of the turbos.

 

[BC119]

Has anyone considered they may just bump compression slightly & map the tune for 91+ octane only in order to market it @ a higher power rating?

it’s proven just on stock tune a gen 2 Raptor will p/u another 25-30whp on the dyno from 93 octane only-

so they could take the easy way out and do that, it wouldn’t be completely egregious either....while it seems all 1/2 tons even @ the top engine trim are able to run on 87 octane, the Raptor is definitely not your standard 1/2 ton truck it’s certainly more of a niche product where the requirement to run 91+ octane wouldn’t really turn most buyers off - I run 93 regardless anyhow

the TRX requires premium gas fwiw

that “trick” alone would be good for another 25-30 hp/tq

a slightly revised intake may help somewhat

the real kicker would be if they were going to add larger turbos....possibly even the same/similar to what the GT has.....& that would make things very interesting indeed for the guys who can’t help but mod their trucks

I’m already partial to the EB in the Raptor & not really interested in paying a huge premium for a blown V8 insanity truck, but I REALLY wouldn’t be interested even slightly if I knew the 3.5 EB was coming back equipped w/ bigger turbos....a tune alone would probably put it right in the running w/ whatever the R puts out.

And that really could be fords plan- the base gen3 will already destroy the TRX & the R version will then fully warrant the sky high sticker + ADM thrown at it

I'm pretty sure they already market power numbers on higher octane gas. They've done that since the inception of the 3.5 in '11...

 

[sixshooter_45]

Has anyone considered they may just bump compression slightly & map the tune for 91+ octane only in order to market it @ a higher power rating?

it’s proven just on stock tune a gen 2 Raptor will p/u another 25-30whp on the dyno from 93 octane only-

so they could take the easy way out and do that, it wouldn’t be completely egregious either....while it seems all 1/2 tons even @ the top engine trim are able to run on 87 octane, the Raptor is definitely not your standard 1/2 ton truck it’s certainly more of a niche product where the requirement to run 91+ octane wouldn’t really turn most buyers off - I run 93 regardless anyhow

the TRX requires premium gas fwiw

that “trick” alone would be good for another 25-30 hp/tq

a slightly revised intake may help somewhat

the real kicker would be if they were going to add larger turbos....possibly even the same/similar to what the GT has.....& that would make things very interesting indeed for the guys who can’t help but mod their trucks

I’m already partial to the EB in the Raptor & not really interested in paying a huge premium for a blown V8 insanity truck, but I REALLY wouldn’t be interested even slightly if I knew the 3.5 EB was coming back equipped w/ bigger turbos....a tune alone would probably put it right in the running w/ whatever the R puts out.

And that really could be fords plan- the base gen3 will already destroy the TRX & the R version will then fully warrant the sky high sticker + ADM thrown at it

I believe I just watched a video on YouTube where a Ford ad stated they were in fact bumping the compression ratio from 10.0 to 1 to 10.5 to 1.

 

[CHMP]

I read a post from an engineer on the Raptor who said more TQ will be available at a lower RPM but max HP and TQ would remain unchanged from the Gen 2. This was four weeks ago so who knows if that's changed. My guess is, if you see a bump in power it will be minimal.

That would be the right move. I've always been happy with the power but you really have to go up and get it. Seems like by the time my truck is pulling good and hard I'm at 80+mph

 

[Badgertits]

I'm pretty sure they already market power numbers on higher octane gas. They've done that since the inception of the 3.5 in '11...

the power #s advertised are supposed to be @ the minimum octane theyre rated for, otherwise it’s false advertising basically

here’s the 2019 C&D article I’ll post AGAIN w/ dyno #s that essentially prove this- 20% parasitic loss is very realistic in a large auto tranny equipped 4x4 vehicle- long driveshaft & lots of rotating parts to suck up incremental HP.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ca...onda-cr-v-vs-bmw-m5-ford-f-150-dodge-charger/

if an F150 3.5 EB HO dunks @ 360whp on 87 octane, that’s 80% of the advertised rating of 450, perfectly normal- making 380whp on 93 octane on stock ecu mapping just shows how much better these engines respond to higher octane & how they’d benefit from higher compression & premium fuel alone along w/ a lil tweaking of the factory tune would easily get a marketable bump of 25-30hp which isn’t nothing.

but again.....Ford could be gunning to just destroy the TRX, doing the above minor tweaks AND adding larger turbos?!? Could be looking @ 550-580hp & 580-600tq......a TRX optioned out weighs 6,866 lbs!!! A loaded gen2 Raptor weighs 5684 lbs- a nearly 1200 lb delta!!!!!

580 HP puts it @ 9.8 lbs per pony, nearly matching a TRX @ 9.7 per hp....while already also sporting a superior suspension & tranny & transfer case in the gen2, let alone what the gen3 will improve upon in those areas

the Raptor R is going to be insane I think- wipe the floor w/ a TRX on the street (& probably a helluva lot of “super” SUVs) & will probably do a whole helluva lot better @ making use of the extra power offroad than the TRX making that comparison irrelevant from the get go since I’d be the house a gen2 would outpace a TRX on a legit Baja style offroad course let alone what a base gen3 will do - so the R will just be insane IMHO

 

[Raptorial]

Never saw that C&D article. Good stuff.