2017 Ford replacement vehicle.... any insight

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smurfslayer

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That’s where the negotiations start; You got nn,nnn miles of use out of the vehicle, depreciating its value right up until the point that either you filed suit, OR, the offer for the buy back was made, depending. Manufacturers aren’t in the business to lose money, so whatever they can do to lessen the financial obligation, they’re going to do it.

You don’t have to say yes. They’ve offered to settle, likely because they know by the letter of the law they’re going to lose and if they lose in court it’s going to cost them even more.
Can they make a neglect or abuse defense against you in court?
are there any - and I mean any mitigating factors that could work against you? ( you don’t have to post publicly if there is, the question is rhetorical).

if your case is black and white, then they will be more motivated to avoid court than if you may have compromised the nature of the case - aftermarket parts that could affect the component failure.

Your lawyer can do the same for you that their counsel will do to mitigate the financial loss to the manufacturer by itemizing your expenses, time investment, inconvenience, expert witnesses, other transportation expenses, loss of use. The sky is the limit really.

So if they say “blah, blah, blah depreciation for 15,000 miles of use” my lawyer says “yada, yada, yada $nnnn.00 for expert witness examination, prep for testimony, $nnnn.00 for alternate transportation, $nnnn.00 loss of use, $nnnn.00 for inconvenience" and on and on, and on.

Typically a replacement vehicle is the manufacturers first serious offer, usually coming after months of delay, a last chance to repair, a non-binding arbitration offer, more weeks to months of delay, and then the offer to replace the vehicle.

You’re not obligated to take the deal if it’s not a “deal” for you.
I suggest you think and carefully consider the offer and not “jump” on it, whatever the offer ends up being.
 

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I think you are screwed by the ecoboost..... much like the rest of us

You are not one of “us”, you don’t even have a truck. Stop lying and trolling here.
 
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Sorry late to the conversation, why did you lemon law it ?
Time in the shop mostly, first issue was driving it on the freeway and started spewing trans fluid all over the underside of the truck so it wen5 in aand someone had topped off the fluid when it was cold best I could figure as they just drained 2 extra quarts out and have not had any issues since.I had oil pan leak and the shop messed up and it leaked again within a thousand miles so it went back in the shop(seems to be good after 10,000+). Then the tailgate mechanism broke and had to take it in to replace latch. Then my driver side valve cover started leaking down the exhaust so they replaced that and wouldn’t you know it the shop did I not get it right and it started leaking again right away so back she went, at the same time I had them fix the driver side 4wheel drive IWD, oh yeah also had the passenger side front axle seal leak and get replaced. In Arizona where I bought the truck the lemon law states that after 30 calendar days in the shop in the first two years or 24000 miles is considered a lemon so I’m seeing what they are going to offer.
 
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Ok so I thought I would update this...
The lady at the Ford reacquired vehicles lead me to believe we could do a replacement vehicle. However for me to make that work I have to find a dealer to agree to sell me a Raptor at Invoice, and in Southern California that’s not going to happen. So we had to go back and restart the process for a buy back. I am happy to report that since I got it back from the dealer I have been driving it hard and have 6000 trouble free miles. Since it has been running so good and really haven’t had any major issues with the truck and it is really running strong, no phaser issues or drivability issues, the truck has been really reliable and a blast to drive. Now I’ Waiting for the offer to come back from Ford but am expecting to have them want to take $10,000 in value. I have probable another $10,000 in mods and about $5000 in parts that I decided that I won’t take off the truck. Looking for a wide perspective, What would you do? Take my money back minus say $15,000 in value and then find a dealer on here back in the mid west who would be willing to sell one below MSRP or better. Or just go on with life and keep my 17 with 28,000 miles on the clock now? Am I better off just trading it in? What real depreciation should I expect if I sold it? Could I get $60,000 from car ax maybe? Fully loaded 802 with everything but carbon and it is in perfect condition no accidents.
 

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Id say no chance you'll get 60k from carmax on a 2017 when 2020 order banks will be opening up any day now.
 

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he is in so Cal though and probably would get that price from a dealer or private sale. even more w/ the upgrades.

have a 17 as well but seeing them for 57-58 used on the east coast and dependent on the mileage.

i am probably dreaming but want to keep the truck until it cant drive anymore. is 20 + yrs too much to hope for
 

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Ok so I thought I would update this...
The lady at the Ford reacquired vehicles lead me to believe we could do a replacement vehicle. However for me to make that work I have to find a dealer to agree to sell me a Raptor at Invoice, and in Southern California that’s not going to happen. So we had to go back and restart the process for a buy back. I am happy to report that since I got it back from the dealer I have been driving it hard and have 6000 trouble free miles. Since it has been running so good and really haven’t had any major issues with the truck and it is really running strong, no phaser issues or drivability issues, the truck has been really reliable and a blast to drive. Now I’ Waiting for the offer to come back from Ford but am expecting to have them want to take $10,000 in value. I have probable another $10,000 in mods and about $5000 in parts that I decided that I won’t take off the truck. Looking for a wide perspective, What would you do? Take my money back minus say $15,000 in value and then find a dealer on here back in the mid west who would be willing to sell one below MSRP or better. Or just go on with life and keep my 17 with 28,000 miles on the clock now? Am I better off just trading it in? What real depreciation should I expect if I sold it? Could I get $60,000 from car ax maybe? Fully loaded 802 with everything but carbon and it is in perfect condition no accidents.

Looking back at your previous posts, all of your issues were not “major mechanical”. Is it worth your time to go through this, get a new truck and possibly restart the process?

Manufacturers don’t offer replacements to benefit you, they offer them to benefit themselves. If you do a court ordered or court agreed buyback at least some states put a scarlet letter on the vehicle title, but, if it’s a voluntary manufacturer buyback that doesn’t have to happen. Secondarily, the offer is just like that of a car salesman. At first blush it looks like a good deal, but when all the fees are tacked on it’s not so brilliant.

As I said before, this is a starting point for negotiations.

I have to find a dealer to agree to sell me a Raptor at Invoice, and in Southern California

No, YOU don’t. They can help make this work if they really want this to go away before having to go to court.

I would do one of 2 things here, assuming the Rap still holds interest to you.
1) 2019 replacement as optioned, straight exchange.
they will balk at this, but as you pointed out, you’ve got several mods on the truck and that could be worthwhile in a sale of the truck. Of course, they will scream bloody murder like a piglet you’ve just snatched from the pen from momma pig, but here’s something you might not be thinking about while negotiating with Ford’s team of professional litigators, expert witnesses, support staff, buyback team and customer service pros: Ford is not poor.

2) 1st place in line at <insert cooperating dealer here> for 2020 order, at internet market prices, not Commiefornia prices.


If you decide this is too much heartache, have them spring for a full length extended warranty, pay all legal fees, including transportation, etc. and maybe option 2 above.

good luck!
 
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