metronyc
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looks good , i have the whipple with ford ricing tune and i have no issues with it , Jon Lund tune might be better ,but can make damage to the engine and might be problem with state emission inspection .
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MTF
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Biggest, you ran into the same problems the first LT headers guys did.
While our PCM's with the Smith Predictive Software is pretty sophisticated, the files for the engineering models can only be so large.
Also the throttle responses are in direct correlation with the thrust output of the transmission and throwing 37" tires on is not going
to allow the transmission to be at the thrust level that the Tune was designed for.
The only reasons Whipple has a Tune for the LT Headers is that they went back
to the Ford's Tier 1 engineer with a Truck and commissioned him to design a new model for LT Headers.
And the cost of that, Whipple says they probably never recoup the cost of something like that.
And all of Whipple's Tunes are highly encrypted and most likely will never be crack.
I'm sure when you talked to Whipple they did tell you that you would need a third party Tune for the 37" tires.
The Tunes from Whipple are based on a stock Raptor with one of them being for a stock Raptor with LT Headers.
Both being certified to pass state inspections with the exception of California, that is still pending.
There is a little room to wiggle in the Whipple Tune such as CJ 500 Twin 65mm TB and going with the smaller pulley (3.675) but more than that and it's Dyno time.
You are the first to try 37" tires with a Supercharger any make.
Have you thought about changing gearing ratios to bring your setup closer the capability of the Whipple tune?
Also to point out without changing the gear sets you're going to have a hard time seeing 500 rwhp with those 37" tires, to much mechanical loss.
While our PCM's with the Smith Predictive Software is pretty sophisticated, the files for the engineering models can only be so large.
Also the throttle responses are in direct correlation with the thrust output of the transmission and throwing 37" tires on is not going
to allow the transmission to be at the thrust level that the Tune was designed for.
The only reasons Whipple has a Tune for the LT Headers is that they went back
to the Ford's Tier 1 engineer with a Truck and commissioned him to design a new model for LT Headers.
And the cost of that, Whipple says they probably never recoup the cost of something like that.
And all of Whipple's Tunes are highly encrypted and most likely will never be crack.
I'm sure when you talked to Whipple they did tell you that you would need a third party Tune for the 37" tires.
The Tunes from Whipple are based on a stock Raptor with one of them being for a stock Raptor with LT Headers.
Both being certified to pass state inspections with the exception of California, that is still pending.
There is a little room to wiggle in the Whipple Tune such as CJ 500 Twin 65mm TB and going with the smaller pulley (3.675) but more than that and it's Dyno time.
You are the first to try 37" tires with a Supercharger any make.
Have you thought about changing gearing ratios to bring your setup closer the capability of the Whipple tune?
Also to point out without changing the gear sets you're going to have a hard time seeing 500 rwhp with those 37" tires, to much mechanical loss.
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wanderfalk
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Is there a certified whipple installer in southern california
Cleave
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MTF, isn't the ford tune more than $500 too?
MTF
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I'm sure there are but I'd call Whipple to get the info.
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To be clear it is the "Whipple Tune" and is designed by the SVT Tier 1 Ford Calibrator.
It was my fault that the "Ford Racing Tune" was coined.
In the beginning we had to send our PCM's to Ford Racing for the flash but now Whipple has all the equipment and files.
As for the price I haven't look at what the prices are in a while.
You do get a discount if you have purchased the complete kit vs. the Tuner edition.
The complete kit comes with the standard stock exhaust Tune.
I believe it's cheapest to order the LT Tune when you purchase the complete kit the first time.
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Cleave
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I'm just gonna call it the ford tune, if it had been developed in house by Whipple then that would make it the Whipple tune in my opinion
MTF
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I hear ya. LOL
Cubdriver
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Oil Pump Failure
Hey Guys,
I have a Supercharged Raptor and want you to know that i lost my motor due to catastrophic Oil Pump failure (i know of others). Now i want to be clear, i do not blame it on the supercharger in any way. My internals were stock and i was running higher boost with a custom tune. My motor was putting out 540whp which is probably the limit for stock internals. My oil pump gear had one tooth broken off and had cracks all the way around it. The purpose of this post is to simply recommend that if your Raptor is supercharged you should change to forged gears, this may save you $10K.
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Hey Guys,
I have a Supercharged Raptor and want you to know that i lost my motor due to catastrophic Oil Pump failure (i know of others). Now i want to be clear, i do not blame it on the supercharger in any way. My internals were stock and i was running higher boost with a custom tune. My motor was putting out 540whp which is probably the limit for stock internals. My oil pump gear had one tooth broken off and had cracks all the way around it. The purpose of this post is to simply recommend that if your Raptor is supercharged you should change to forged gears, this may save you $10K.
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