first, you took my response out of context to mean we are currently producing $hit products. We -were- producing cars that wouldn’t do 36,000 miles without a rebuild at one point in the 70’s,
70's vehicles certainly had quality issues across all manufacturers; they were struggling to meet emissions standards using the sub-par technology available at the time in an economy with a fuel shortage and escalating gas prices. That is how the imports got a foothold; their vehicles were small and efficient. The fact that there are plenty of American cars built in the 70's still running around without issues shoots holes in your theory. The most recent one I've serviced was a 1979 Bonneville with the undesirable 4.9 V8. It was well maintained, no rust, no leaks (normal seepage). It needed a tune up and replacement rear springs (original ones were sagging). It was far from the piece of trash vehicles you're trying to portray.
Magnusson-Moss was a direct result of American car makers making $hit products and sticking consumers with the bill. There’s a manufacturers warranty on cars not out of the goodness of GM, Ford & FCA’s corporate heart, it’s required.
Completely false information. Manufacturer's warranties are NOT required by any stretch of the imagination. Warranty coverage is entirely determined by the manufacturer. They can choose which parts to warranty and for how long. They could even choose to offer no warranty if they were so inclined (aside from emissions).
Magnuson-Moss came about to protect consumers from manufacturers invalidating warranty coverage due to the use of non-OEM parts. This includes things like oil filters, air filters, fuel filters, wiper blades, etc. It was largely driven by the aftermarket parts industry. The law dictates that an OEM cannot void your warranty for something like using a Mobil 1 Oil filter instead of a Motorcraft oil filter unless the aftermarket part can be directly attributed to the failure.
You’re right that lemon law lawyers go after all manufacturers with equal vigor, but some manufacturers are more represented than others, and some have a rep. for stupidly being unwilling to settle.
If the manufacturer is complying with their warranty obligations per the law, why would they settle with a lawyer? These lawyers are not looking to get the car fixed or satisfy the customer; they are looking for a payday.
However, you are absolutely hitting the bottle or bong way too hard if you are seriously replying to the cam phaser thread and asserting that there isn’t a QA problem with that, or several other issues openly discussed here, or on other Ford venues online.. You’re absolutely going full on, re**rd, sasquatch77 with that line of thought. Is the QA better than the 70’s? Yes, worlds better. can it be improved? Hell yes. Is Ford doing a better job than euro-trash car makers? I’ve never had American iron try to kill me and the Mrs. can’t say the same bmw.
"Hitting the Bong"? Going "full on, retard"? You sound like you have a personal vendetta against these vehicles or myself; you are not portraying yourself as a rational person. I am here to help people on my own time based on my knowledge and extensive experience in the automotive industry.
What are your credentials?
All you do is tell people to get a lawyer and sue. That is not helpful unless you have a vested interest in a law firm. Vehicles from any manufacturer have issues, it takes no more than 5 minutes of surfing various forums to see that. I'm certainly not making excuses for the folks on here who have their vehicle stuck in the shop, it ****** me off when I hear someone is having an issue and then receiving poor service from the dealer on top of it. I can't change that, but if I can provide any help I will try.
But seriously - how many 2017+ Raptors - just on FRF had to be bought back by Ford? a dozen? This is a very small subset of Raptors represented here and surely, some were outright caused by poor dealer behavior, but not all of them.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. If you think lemon law lawyers are that bad, put them out of business. Make better vehicles, and ensure the warranty is honored in good faith. next time a service advisor draws the knucklehead card, scold them. Regional rep being a schmuck? don’t sit idly by. Lemon law lawyers will go on to ambulance chasing. But the reason they exist in the first place is that some people have legitimate legal claims where the consumer has been wronged.
Dealers are the face of the manufacturer and, more importantly, their licensed agents. You can’t divorce the two here.
The majority of buybacks I've seen on here have been the result of incorrect dealer diagnosis and extensive time out of service due to dealership service capacity constraints. Lemon law lawyers will never be out of business because they can go after a manufacturer for unlimited claimed "defects" regardless as to whether they are normal characteristic of the vehicle. They are the scum of the earth, no way around it. Making "better vehicles" as you claim will not change that. They will take any case they can to enrich themselves no matter how ridiculous. Not sure why you think they are beneficial to the consumer; the manufacturer is required to follow Federal and state laws without the need to involve a blood sucking attorney.
As far as dealers, they are independently owned and operated franchises. They are not "licensed agents", the simply signed a franchise agreement which dictates that they are responsible for selling and servicing vehicles. They use the manufacturer as as a scapegoat regardless of the fact that the real problems are internal to their franchise. If you want that to change, take it up with your congressional representative. I'd be the first one to sign your petition.
