So Don't Get me Wrong, I love my Raptor, But....

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BIG TIME BALLER

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What I know and believe is the only possible truth. All else is wrong and must submit to my beliefs.

This is how wars are started... This is why America is on the path of another civil war.
 

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That is fair. If you take a Mustang and heavily mod it I’m sure it could beat those Porches. To a large extent that’s what you are getting with the GTs since they do strip out a lot of things to make them basically track cars. I took the statement to mean stock versus stock, but I may have misread it.

Stock vs. stock a Chevy ******* Camaro ZL1 is faster around the ***** ring than a $200k Porsche 911 turbo S- not hyperbole, fact. Modded? Jesus Christ- - modded you wind up w/ a blown up Porsche sans warranty, mod the ZL1 & you have bargain basement suoercar. That probably falls into the “scary fast” category.

AGAIn- stock vs stock the FACTS are out there if you care to look for them & don’t guzzle Porsche’s koolaid. What kinda idiot compares a ******* $1mil or $1/3 mil exotic w/ zero street manners to a cushy DD capable track weapon like a vette/Camaro Zxx? PRObably the type that complains about a running board being damaged & blames it on a manufacturer when YOUR kid cracked it up & YOU ADMITTEDLY USED shit parts.

If anyone cares to remember, that’s how this got started.

Porsche = shit engineers, GREAT marketing team, exhibit A= OP
 

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Stock vs. stock a Chevy ******* Camaro ZL1 is faster around the ***** ring than a $200k Porsche 911 turbo S- not hyperbole, fact. Modded? Jesus Christ- - modded you wind up w/ a blown up Porsche sans warranty, mod the ZL1 & you have bargain basement suoercar. That probably falls into the “scary fast” category.

AGAIn- stock vs stock the FACTS are out there if you care to look for them & don’t guzzle Porsche’s koolaid. What kinda idiot compares a ******* $1mil or $1/3 mil exotic w/ zero street manners to a cushy DD capable track weapon like a vette/Camaro Zxx? PRObably the type that complains about a running board being damaged & blames it on a manufacturer when YOUR kid cracked it up & YOU ADMITTEDLY USED shit parts.

If anyone cares to remember, that’s how this got started.

Porsche = shit engineers, GREAT marketing team, exhibit A= OP

Dude chill the F out.
 

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Dude chill the F out.

He's not wrong tho...

German cars make shit for HP compared to American cars, so they aren't that fast unless you buy the super duper exclusive lightweight stripped down race model with an extra 25 HP for $200K+.

You can have all the fancy suspension and brakes you want, but if the engine is weak- it's gonna be slow.
 

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He's not wrong tho...

German cars make shit for HP compared to American cars, so they aren't that fast unless you buy the super duper exclusive lightweight stripped down race model with an extra 25 HP for $200K+.

You can have all the fancy suspension and brakes you want, but if the engine is weak- it's gonna be slow.

a mildly modified gt350 spanks a gt3 around a road track. especially if the gt350 is running the dscsport suspension tuner. When people complain about ford being squirrely with warranty work, you have to wonder if they truly understand that they are getting a faster car for 1/3rd the price, and something has to give to offer a product at that price point.

The gt350 would have been 120-150K if Ford had made an attempt to make every bit as high quality as a porsche, and even then, who wants a track car with a lincoln interior?
 

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a mildly modified gt350 spanks a gt3 around a road track. especially if the gt350 is running the dscsport suspension tuner. When people complain about ford being squirrely with warranty work, you have to wonder if they truly understand that they are getting a faster car for 1/3rd the price, and something has to give to offer a product at that price point.

The gt350 would have been 120-150K if Ford had made an attempt to make every bit as high quality as a porsche, and even then, who wants a track car with a lincoln interior?

Thing is though- have you been in a new Porsche lately? Not the macan/cayenne/panamera- but a 911? It isn’t “luxurious” unless you go nuts on the options boxes, it’s very spartan- but in a good way- yeah the materials/fit & finish are excellent, but it’s not like getting in a Mercedes by any means. The interior is not superior over a vette/mustang the same way an Audi interior is IMO if that makes sense.

I think people got the impression I don’t like Porsche- I do like them, they’re my preferred German car brand followed by Mercedes then Audi - used to like bmws a lot more, but they aren’t the same manufacturer anymore. They’re an suv company.

I just don’t think the engineering is anything to fawn over relative to the performance delivered @ the price point that comes with it. That was the whole thread initially- the OP was bashing ford engineering over Porsche’s but based on the INTENT of what that engineering is supposed to deliver then cost has to be a factor in relation to how that engineering translates into performance. When compared that way I am more impressed w/ Ford engineers delivering a mass market raptor from the same company/factory pumping out econoboxes.

The price tag of a Porsche is partly marketing/prestige capitalism- what the market will bear so to speak, but it’s also a reflection of the “budget” Porsche’s engineers had to work with. I agree the #s the newest GT3 RS deliver are astounding- in a vacuum or compared to a lambo or Porsche’s own $900k 918 (again I actually see that as embarrassing too)- but consider this:

give corvette engineers a clean slate to bring a C7 to market that comes w/ a $300k price tag.I want someone to contemplate that & tell me w/ a straight face in all honestly that a C7 w/ that kinda budget wouldn’t analy probe every damn Porsche out there.
 
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who cares? if I wanted to read about porsches, ‘vettes, and Nurburgring times, I’d peruse one of the many fora dedicated to those vehicles.

can we get back to ragging on the F150 interior and such now?
 

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He's not wrong tho...

German cars make shit for HP compared to American cars, so they aren't that fast unless you buy the super duper exclusive lightweight stripped down race model with an extra 25 HP for $200K+.

You can have all the fancy suspension and brakes you want, but if the engine is weak- it's gonna be slow.

There is a saying in racing, "Anyone can drive a fast car, very few people can drive a car fast."

If you are only interested flexing your right ankle, then American metal is the way to go.

For people who want to master the art of driving, there are far better tools for the job.

Personally, I prefer driving under powered race cars (Miata, etc) because they require far more skill to post respectable lap times. My 10 year old can mash a gas pedal and that doesn't impress me.
 
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