Raptor motor in a Lincoln

[Truckzor]

Nope, I didn't lose the argument about the commonality of the FWD V8 at all... I just think that you have an extraordinarily loose definition of the term "extremely uncommon", is all. Are GenI Raptors "extremely uncommon"? I don't think they are... I see them quite frequently. For the record, I am showing the following production information:

• Total GenI Raptor production: 77,453 (http://www.fordraptorforum.com/f5/list-raptor-production-numbers-svt-46850/)
• Total Cadillac DTS production (only one example of a FWD V8): 211,518 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_DTS#Yearly_American_sales)

So if you're going to call the Cadillac DTS (just one example of a FWD V8, mind you) "extremely uncommon", then, at roughly 37% of the total production, you're also going to need to call GenI Raptors "extremely super-duper uncommon". Which is ********. I see several of them on the road per week, and I'll bet you do, too.

Let me help you understand what "extremely uncommon" really means in the world of cars (I'm even being generous with most of these):

• 1987 Buick GNX - 547
• 1989 Turbo Trans Am - 1550
• 2009-2010 Pontiac Solstice Coupe - 1266
• 1991 GMC Syclone - 2995

Hell, I wouldn't even consider the 2nd gen ('99-'04) Lightning (total production 28,124) to be "extremely uncommon". Uncommon, certainly... but extremely uncommon? Hardly. Even the 1993 Mustang Cobra at a total production (for the street version) of 4993 doesn't merit the "extremely uncommon" label, IMO.

Evidently, I'm not the only one with this position; in regard to the 1990-1993 Chevrolet 454 SS trucks:



(Hooniverse Obscure Muscle Car Garage – The 1990-93 Chevrolet Silverado 454 SSÂ*|Â*Hooniverse)

Sorry, bro... you made an ignorant statement, got called and fact checked, and tried to worm your way out of it. You failed. Be a man and admit that you're wrong... it's not that difficult.

Listen, I know it feels like I am your enemy because I continue to hurt your feelings and embarrass you. I assure you that I am just trying to help. Let me try now one more time. What you are trying to do now is called a logical fallacy. In a previous post, I proved mathematically that FWD V8s are statistically insignificant. This clearly meets the definition of extremely rare, at least here in the real world, on planet earth, where the rest of us live. Demonstrating that other cars are more rare does not mean that FWD V8s are not rare. That is your current failure. Specifically, you need to understand that two things can both be extremely rare even if one is more rare than the other. This is because the two conditions are not mutually exclusive. These are basic logical concepts that any 101 level course would cover. Please educate yourself.

 

[BurnOut]

Listen, I know it feels like I am your enemy because I continue to hurt your feelings and embarrass you. I assure you that I am just trying to help. Let me try now one more time. What you are trying to do now is called a logical fallacy. In a previous post, I proved mathematically that FWD V8s are statistically insignificant. This clearly meets the definition of extremely rare, at least here in the real world, on planet earth, where the rest of us live. Demonstrating that other cars are more rare does not mean that FWD V8s are not rare. That is your current failure. Specifically, you need to understand that two things can both be extremely rare even if one is more rare than the other. This is because the two conditions are not mutually exclusive. These are basic logical concepts that any 101 level course would cover. Please educate yourself.

Nah, you're not my enemy... you're more like the borderline retarded kid up the street who just got his first car - a '97 Mustang GT with an automatic - and had Flowmasters installed, and an underdrive pulley, and a K&N, and is convinced that he has a 12 second car. Since it's painted teal, and he's never seen another teal '97 Mustang, he's absolutely certain that it's a collector's car, too.

I notice that you didn't answer my question, either... are GenI Raptors extremely super-duper uncommon?

 

[hkguns]

not a gen 2 hater, I think its a badass truck as I have said in previous posts. but the V8 and its sound is that one thing lol and its a big deal to plenty of people so dont try to downplay it. One of the best simple little things I enjoyed about my gen 1 was walking out after work and from 40-50 ft away remote starting it and hearing that badass rumble with my stock exhaust. The gen 2 is quiet even when the salesman was revving it up and the aftermarket exhausts I have heard sound awful.

You might not care what it sounds like, but to me and many others it adds to the whole experience of the vehicle. Any vehicle, not just the raptors.

Well, you could have fooled me. Your statement insinuated the media were simply parroting what Ford wanted them to write / produce in their reviews, regardless of the actual product that is now in Customers hands.

The sound isn't necessarily better in the G1 either. It is all subjective and Ford, in my opinion, did a great job of making the V6 sound great.

By your logic nothing but a V8 sounds good? That simply isn't anywhere near the truth.

Ever heard the pops and crackles of a Focus RS accelerating? Or the scream of the Ford GT? So those sound bad? Don't think so, they sound unique to each vehicle just like the G2.

There was a lot of work that went into getting the G2 to sound like it does, as you can tell by some of the after market solutions that sound worse or only marginally and still only subjectively better. 9 times out of 10, someone who blows 2 grand on a new exhaust system, will say their new system sounds better, when there is no data to support that position. It is called confirmation bias.

I asked you to come up with one thing in the G1 that was better than the G2 and all you've got is sound? Pretty much exactly what the magazine / Video reviews have told you and YOU claimed they were bought and paid for by Ford.

 

[Truckzor]

Nah, you're not my enemy... you're more like the borderline retarded kid up the street who just got his first car - a '97 Mustang GT with an automatic - and had Flowmasters installed, and an underdrive pulley, and a K&N, and is convinced that he has a 12 second car. Since it's painted teal, and he's never seen another teal '97 Mustang, he's absolutely certain that it's a collector's car, too.

I notice that you didn't answer my question, either... are GenI Raptors extremely super-duper uncommon?

Imaginary personal attacks. The very weakest kind.

 

[BurnOut]

Imaginary personal attacks. The very weakest kind.

...stiiillllll no answer to my question. Are GenI Raptors extremely super-duper uncommon?

 

[Truckzor]

Well, you could have fooled me. Your statement insinuated the media were simply parroting what Ford wanted them to write / produce in their reviews, regardless of the actual product that is now in Customers hands.

The sound isn't necessarily better in the G1 either. It is all subjective and Ford, in my opinion, did a great job of making the V6 sound great.

By your logic nothing but a V8 sounds good? That simply isn't anywhere near the truth.

Ever heard the pops and crackles of a Focus RS accelerating? Or the scream of the Ford GT? So those sound bad? Don't think so, they sound unique to each vehicle just like the G2.

There was a lot of work that went into getting the G2 to sound like it does, as you can tell by some of the after market solutions that sound worse or only marginally and still only subjectively. 9 times out of 10 someone who blows 2 grand on a new exhaust system will say their new system sounds better when there is no data to support that position.

I asked you to come up with one thing in the G1 that was better than the G2 and all you've got is sound? Pretty much exactly what the magazine / Video reviews have told you and YOU claimed they were bought and paid for by Ford.

The Gen 2 truck falls short in braking, ride and handling both on and off road, payload, towing, real world fuel economy, reliability, repairability, longevity, sound... oh and pride of ownership -- we can't forget that one.

And, yes, the GT sounds like dogshit. Once you get past how loud they are and really listen to the tone of the engine, it is precisely as lame as a Honda Accord. It's not up for debate. It's science.

This Is Why Various Engine Types Sound So Different – Feature – Car and Driver

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...stiiillllll no answer to my question. Are GenI Raptors extremely super-duper uncommon?

Your question has been answered.

 

[The Mav]

Demonstrating that other cars are more rare does not mean that FWD V8s are not rare..

Fair enough point. But FWD V8's aren't rare.... so yeah nice fail.

Like he mentioned, the DTS is one example at over 211,000 sold

The Cadillac Eldorado was a FWD V8 from 1967 up until 2002. Over half a million of these sold

The lincoln continental was a FWD V8 from 95 till 2002. selling over 120,000 cars.

I could go on and on with the production numbers but You are not worth wasting that much time.

other cars that were FWD V8 include many GM's, the cadillac devill series cars, Buik riviera, caddy fleetwoods, Oldsmobile toronado, chevy impala SS, pontiac GXP, buick lucerne, buick lacrosse, Taurus SHO, many more I'm sure that exist.


but yeah, so ******* rare.....

They are not rare in any sense of the ******* word. you just don't know shit about cars and clearly don't know what drivetrains anything has. Which is okay if you didnt walk around acting like you did know.

 

[BurnOut]

The Gen 2 truck falls short in braking, ride and handling both on and off road, payload, towing, real world fuel economy, reliability, repairability, longevity, sound... oh and pride of ownership -- we can't forget that one.

And, yes, the GT sounds like dogshit. Once you get past how loud they are and really listen to the tone of the engine, it is precisely as lame as a Honda Accord. It's not up for debate. It's science.

This Is Why Various Engine Types Sound So Different – Feature – Car and Driver

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Your question has been answered.

No, you still haven't answered it. You've talked in circles about basic statistical concepts that are easily grasped, yet you are evidently not able to apply them to the real world.

Regarding your claims above about the GenII's shortcomings, what is your source of data? Or is this just another patented Truckzor-approach ******** claim made with no supporting information?

 

[Truckzor]

No, you still haven't answered it. You've talked in circles about basic statistical concepts that are easily grasped, yet you are evidently not able to apply them to the real world.

Regarding your claims above about the GenII's shortcomings, what is your source of data? Or is this just another patented Truckzor-approach ******** claim made with no supporting information?

You're smart enough to know that the question has already been answered in my previous posts. I've demonstrated that, statistically, based on your claimed production volume, the FWD V8 platform is not significantly different from zero. And now you're asking me about a truck that has been produced in even lower numbers. The answer is there. Show us your new 101 level logical skills.

With respect to the Jenny, the source of those claims is a combination of recorded test data and user feedback.

 

[The Mav]

the FWD V8 platform is not significantly different from zero.

excuse me? are you that ******* blind? THERE ARE MILLIONS OF FWD V8 CARS