Good point. I am located in the midwest about 2 hours from Chicago. I'm just blown away seeing a public advertisement for "only" $5k over. Granted they could be horrible on trade to make up the difference I suppose.General market is a challenging idea as geography makes a big difference. I'm in Southern California and I still see trucks going for $15-30k over. I think it has softened a bit everywhere but not enough for regular MSRP deals on stock units.