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I haven’t checked in a while, but I don’t dispute good Raptor deals are out there.  Invoice would be great but I’d be satisfied with a few k off MSRP likely.  To me the real issue is that even when faced with these deals, the bitter clingers still stubbornly stick to ADM, and sometimes over the course of months.  I know there were people who paid ADM, some paid all of it to dealers for the ’17’s, but it just baffles me that as you point out - go to cars.com and find deals way better OR order from a non-local dealer at -just for discussion’s sake- 3500 off MSRP.  You present to your local dealer and they say “F*** you, go out of state and buy it”.   You protest - “I’d like to stay local, but if you insist, I will go out of state”.  They say “sounds like a plan, let us know when you have your Raptor, we’ll be happy to service it”. 


Of course, there’s also the option of ordering out of state and delivering locally.


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