Gen 3 Raptor is Overpriced, you are all Insane

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DeepSeaMofo423

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Sorry for the clickbait thread title. But hear me out....

Been knocking around the idea of getting a truck for some time now and could really do with something midsized but hate, hate, hate all the offerings there. Tacoma is from the Paleolithic era and underpowered, Ranger is 4-cylinder only and a decade old itself. Nissan, LoL. You get the idea. Which brings me to larger trucks, specifically in the F-150, Silverado, Ram 1500 category as I have no need for a heavy duty truck. Not that need dictates all of my buying decisions but there is no way I would enjoy putting up with all the compromises of and HD truck if I didn't need the capability it brings. So Raptors....

I've like it ever since it broke new ground back in 2010 but the 2nd Gen left me a bit cold. It was the turbo 6 powerplant. Can't get past it. This is not a debate on the merits of exhaust note or cylinder count, enough keystrokes have been expended there for sure.

In unrelated (but related) news, this week I had my name added to a dealer's Corvette Z06 list. I'm not going to get one of the 'first' cars and that is fine. What I am going to get is an MSRP deal, expected by the dealer, myself and most educated Corvette folks to be $89,990 for openers. I don't need to bore you with details but 5.5L naturally aspirated V8 that raves to 8600 rpm and all that. It is going to be my personal, final love letter to petrol before it is all over. A 'forever' car if you will, built to my spec (which will light on options, no crazy aero, carbon brakes or carbon wheels). The only way it could be better (aside from maybe being not so ugly) would be if it had a manual transmission. That's why there does exist the small chance I could jump ship to a Porsche Coxster GTS 4.0 with a manual. But the way Porsche dealers tend to play games with allocations, and price their cars, that is a slim possibility at best.

Anyway, this got me thinking about writing a check for $90K, what value for money it provides and whatnot. That got me thinking about the MSRPs I'm seeing for these Raptors (never mind those foolish enough to be paying ADM, LoL) of $80-83K.
Viewed through the lens of "COVID disruptions, chip shortages, free Biden bucks for my kids, etc" I'm sure you guys are justifying it to yourselves just fine. After all, look at the market. But when I think of what the C8 Z06 is, as an engineering feat, with its mid-engined architecture, DCT trans, removable roof, the most powerful naturally aspirated V8 in history, etc, I can't help but kind of laugh at Raptor prices. At best, it's a breathed-on F-150 with a bespoke suspension, some frame bits and a tarted up 3.5. Please don't reply here and try to explain how it is 'basically' the engine from the Ford GT either. Because it's not. It is just terrible value for money in my opinion.

I understand that Z06s will doubtless run up to $140K with all the goodies (where, if you can get past the looks and brand image, it still is likely to represent good value). I also understand that I am getting a bit of in 'insider' deal at MSRP when some dealers have opened their lists at $50,000 over. I also understand that the Z06 is not a truck. I'm just trying to see what you guys think about the value for money a Raptor represents at $80,000+. It is based on the perennial best-selling vehicle in the U.S. with the ability to spread costs over hundreds of thousands of units after all. Anyone have thoughts to contribute beyond "Oh, you don't have a Raptor, ****"?

TL;DR: Raptors are a ripoff and I am going to buy a Corvette instead.
Why even ask for response when you already answered the question?!?!?….. Dude buy both and stop ********! The Zo6 is an amazing machine! But the Raptor is also an amazing truck…. I did not realize until the Raptor Assault Ford Performance Course! To bad Chevy doesn’t teach you how to drive that vette?!?? Because judging by the way you wrote this post, your “the guy” that shows up with “the car” at the track and can’t drive…. “Driver Mod” is the best mod! Just my opinion!
 

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Out of sheer morbid curiosity I perused ninja’s prior posts here. He claims to own at least 12 vehicles at any given time, ranging in price from 300k to 10k. The one for 10k must be a hopped up Vespa scooter. I guess the 300k car is worth it because it gets you from point A to B swaddled in pigskin or something.

He goes on to say if the Raptor was $65k he’d buy it. Well sell the one for 10k, put the proceeds toward your 65k and you’re in.
 

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I know a few track rats that are worth nine figures who daily drive a Raptor. It's worth the money to those of us who want one for all the reasons most of of us know.

I'm #2 on the list for a C8 Z06 as well and it'll look great next to my Raptor and other vehicles.
 

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Why even ask for response when you already answered the question?!?!?….. Dude buy both and stop ********! The Zo6 is an amazing machine! But the Raptor is also an amazing truck…. I did not realize until the Raptor Assault Ford Performance Course! To bad Chevy doesn’t teach you how to drive that vette?!?? Because judging by the way you wrote this post, your “the guy” that shows up with “the car” at the track and can’t drive…. “Driver Mod” is the best mod! Just my opinion!
Oh yes they do, my friend! All new vette owners receive an invite to the driving school…good for one year, much like new Raptor owners receive an invite to the Raptor Assault course. Ask me how I know!;)

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Agree that the gen3 rollout was very poor considering how other new vehicles launched at other companies. It was all bad for everyone, but Ford just didn’t do well with any launch. I will agree that rewarding folks in a call center was, well… gross.
I also am not sure why folks cross shopping get belittled here. You can’t blame people for checking out all the new vehicles and choosing the one that has the cool factor for them. Sometimes you don’t know what you want until you see and drive. I would bet half the buying market buys a purpose vehicle for personal use. My point is don’t disregard cross shoppers.
For value, I would agree that a new Raptor is not good bang for the buck with other available options.
What was “poor” about the rollout? The fact is every company is struggling with getting chips right now. Just because builds are delayed does not make it a “poor launch”. Not that you’d have any clue about that anyway, I’ve asked you multiple times if you even own a Raptor and you never answer.

The Raptor is in a class of 2; it’s only competitor is the TRX. Both have capabilities that no other production vehicle can approach. Raptor is not just an F-150 package, it’s a completely re-engineered truck right down to its unique frame. Raptor is a great value relative to its class.
 
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I know a few track rats that are worth nine figures who daily drive a Raptor. It's worth the money to those of us who want one for all the reasons most of of us know.

I'm #2 on the list for a C8 Z06 as well and it'll look great next to my Raptor and other vehicles.

I'm worth 10 figures: $000,000,000.01 ;)

As a former track rat, I hear ya. In fact, nothing was cooler than seeing someone trailering their track vehicle with a Raptor, not even a Cayenne.
 

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Enjoy the corvette. It is a basic entry level sports car. Not a supercar and has never had that title.
It’s nice to have both. I mean…that’s kinda the way it goes w/ a vette anyhow unless you are a single guy & live in like southern Cali or New Mexico or something corvettes are just not a realistic DD vehicle and if you’re seriously “cross-shopping” the Raptor w/ a vette only way that makes sense to me would be assuming you’re going to use the Raptor for hobby/racing/toy status in which case….if you can only have ONE the Raptor allows you to “play” w/ it in a lot more varied terrain/circumstances than a vette.

Odd this was even brought up - I guess b/c vettes get ADM these days too?
 
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Still not cross-shopping a Raptor and a Z06. Can anyone here read?
 
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