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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Otis857" data-source="post: 992444" data-attributes="member: 15749">When I first put the Gieser Bros Springs on, I put them on low perch. That leveled out the truck with stock rear leafs. As I said earlier, I didn't care for the ride, but you might like it fine. Its not a bad ride and much better than the stock pogo stick springs, but to use dirt bike terms, it was a little to "plush" or soft for my taste so I went to mid perch. This gave me a slightly higher front end than the rear, which I still didn't prefer, but I did like the ride much better.This weekend I just finished installing some National SD leaf springs I picked up used. Now the truck is level again. I don't have any time to speak of on the rear springs other than back and forth to work, so I cant comment on how well these will do over the stock leaves, but it has to be better. As for your question, "So your set up with progressive front springs gives you about 3" over stock?" Its been a while since I measured the height, but I would guess its more like 1.5 to 2" over stock. However, my goal was not additional height, it was off road ride improvement and the extra height to me is just a bonus. Pick up a set, Install them at low perch to start and you will level out the truck, get a much better ride, and give you some time to decide what's next .  Whatever you decide, at $550 for a pair, its a good bargain in Raptor suspension upgrades and a great place to start</blockquote>