Finally hit MSRP, how long till invoice deals available

[jaz13]

Demand doesn't have to dry up, just slow down. That's what happens when the initial craze dies down, and the novelty of being the first guy on the block with one wears off. Already many dealers are willing to move at MSRP without a lot of negotiation.

Even last year there were reports of discounts from MSRP, but those deals were pretty few and far between and seemed like insider deals. At the time, MSRP deals were few and far between, but now people are getting them all over the country.

Fact is, it's expensive for a dealer to keep a $60k or $70k truck on the lot. And the other big fact is that dealer holdback on a $60k or $70k truck is big, so even moving a truck at invoice is going to be a solid sale for a dealer.

A year ago and up to a few months ago, dealers were scrambling to get any allocation they could, with demands exceeding allocations. Soon, allocations are going to exceed demand (arguably already happened), and the smart dealers are going to be selling trucks and taking their profit instead of letting allocations go unfilled waiting for above sticker or full sticker.

Only a small percentage can rationalize paying a premium and that turned off a lot of potential buyers. Once prices dip to MSRP, that will open the floodgates and there will be a huge new wave of Raptor buyers. The dealer I bought my truck from had seven other buyers call on his MSRP listing after I put my deposit down.

 

[dlbb]

Invoice on a loaded screw was in the 50s on a 14. Most dealers were selling at sticker or above on anything on the lot. You would find deals on ordered vehicles. There was a high demand for the 14 because Ford made it known a v8 would not be offered on the gen 2 later in the 13 production cycle.

yes exactly. we built 2 trucks to order. a 14 raptor @51k msrp, and a lariat hd @50500 msrp. thought about it for a day or so and went lariat hd. wife preferred the 6 passenger seating for when her parents came from overseas. it worked very well for us. now we will just rent a expedition when they come. no need to have 6 passenger for a month or so every year or 2. lol

 

[SilverBolt]

At what point in the life cycle did the Gen 1 6.2's start to sell for under sticker?

I paid invoice for my 2011 order.

 

[FarFromStock]

I can't help but chuckle at all the "experts" trying to predict what the market, or Ford for that matter, will do regarding specialty vehicles. We've owned: 2008 GT500 (MSRP +5K), 2010 GT500 (MSRP), 2012 GT500 (X-Plan), 2012 Raptor (Invoice +1K), 2014 ST (Invoice), and 2016 ST (Invoice). All have been different situations caused by either market hype, Ford rumors, and relationship with the dealer. When we paid the +5K for the GT500, we were hearing lots of false rumors that it would be the last year of the GT500, so we jumped and overpaid for it. It was a good lesson that probably saved us in our future negotiations. We discovered that waiting is almost always the best bet. Let the market settle over the new releases and hopefully you'll be in a better negotiating position in subsequent years. Also, never say never when it comes to X-plans or any other special offers on specialty vehicles. We were told that Ford never offers plan pricing on SVT's, but low and behold, they did in 2012 on the GT500.

Bottom line, go with your gut and don't listen to all the self-proclaimed experts. Many factors drive vehicle pricing. History isn't necessarily a predictor of the future, but it gives a good glimpse into Ford's business model and market response.

Just my $.02 so take it for what it's worth.

 

[oxfordraptor]

Gen 1 guys buying at invoice has zero relevance to Gen 2 pricing. ZERO. Gen 1 is an entirely different truck targeted differently than Gen 2s.

Gen 1 trucks were relatively inexpensive to begin with, and targeted at a fairly narrow buyer (the enthusiast). Gen 2 trucks are luxury trucks and a raptor rolled into one, they are a heck of a lot nicer than the old Gen 1s and cost a lot more. So it opens the field of buyers to a lot more people. Small example: I tow, wheel and overland so I'm not a mall crawler, but I even I never ever considered a plastic-fantastic Gen 1. When the Gen 2s came around with all the luxury trimmings, I bought one when I previously wasn't a raptor buyer. You add all the street queen buyers out there, and the Gen 2s are a lot more attractive than Gen 1s to a lot more people willing to pay the $$. It's just a better product that moved upmarket.

So I am with Jetdriver. I don't think you will see invoice pricing on Gen 2s for a long long time.

This is the most inaccurate dumb shit I have read on here in a long time. If the Gen 2 had a **** you would suck it.

 

[xxaarraa]

This is the most inaccurate dumb shit I have read on here in a long time. If the Gen 2 had a **** you would suck it.

Do you even have a Gen 2, or are you just a magazine racer? Instead of getting mad at people who actually own Gen 2s, I'd start directing your energies where they add value (not here).

 

[df4801]

This is the most inaccurate dumb shit I have read on here in a long time. If the Gen 2 had a **** you would suck it.

Actually your post is the most inaccurate dumb shit I have read in a long time.

Many dealers already have sold all or most of their 2018 allocations. Many buyers still "looking" for msrp deals. Why would dealers discount??? And if you do get a "discount" then my guess is that you will be last in line for allocation and get it in June 2018 if at all along with a mid year markup that Ford passes on thus negating your "deal".

Many stories on here of people getting msrp deals on 2017's only to be told in June..... sorry, but we will put you in first for a 2018.

 

[FordraptorHero]

Gen 1 guys buying at invoice has zero relevance to Gen 2 pricing. ZERO. Gen 1 is an entirely different truck targeted differently than Gen 2s.

Gen 1 trucks were relatively inexpensive to begin with, and targeted at a fairly narrow buyer (the enthusiast). Gen 2 trucks are luxury trucks and a raptor rolled into one, they are a heck of a lot nicer than the old Gen 1s and cost a lot more. So it opens the field of buyers to a lot more people. Small example: I tow, wheel and overland so I'm not a mall crawler, but I even I never ever considered a plastic-fantastic Gen 1. When the Gen 2s came around with all the luxury trimmings, I bought one when I previously wasn't a raptor buyer. You add all the street queen buyers out there, and the Gen 2s are a lot more attractive than Gen 1s to a lot more people willing to pay the $$. It's just a better product that moved upmarket.

So I am with Jetdriver. I don't think you will see invoice pricing on Gen 2s for a long long time.

how did you manage to turn this into a gen war? i just contracted aids reading your stupidity. have u ever even been in a gen 1? gen 2s will be under msrp soon, the trucks are way over priced for what u get imo, not many ppl have 70k sitting around to part with, also from my understanding their making a shit ton of them

 

[oxfordraptor]

Actually your post is the most inaccurate dumb shit I have read in a long time.

Many dealers already have sold all or most of their 2018 allocations. Many buyers still "looking" for msrp deals. Why would dealers discount??? And if you do get a "discount" then my guess is that you will be last in line for allocation and get it in June 2018 if at all along with a mid year markup that Ford passes on thus negating your "deal".

Many stories on here of people getting msrp deals on 2017's only to be told in June..... sorry, but we will put you in first for a 2018.

You can find a ton of Raptors at MSRP right now end of story.

 

[smurfslayer]

Doesn't matter. Gen 1s were an entirely different product compared to Gen 2s and will have a different product life cycle pricing curve.

In what reality is this true? Someone help me out here...

have you been to Raptor Assault yet? you know they still have Gen 1 Raptors there, that the staff use, right? You know they keep up or leave the gen 2 depending on the driver, right?

The DNA of the trucks is the same, the gen2 has made evolutionary improvements in a lot of categories but these are not different species here you are talking about.
‘hero is right, this had nothing to do with gen 1/ gen 2 and didn’t need to.

The closest market analogy the Gen 2 market has is ... the Gen 1, because there is no other manufacturer directly competing with the Raptor right now. So drawing an analogy to the gen1 is legit if for no other reason than a valuable data point. Sure, the market is newer, people can use the internet better to find better deals, but the market is artificially inflated by several forces.

I do agree with X’ that Ford took the Rap upscale and as a result bought a lot of poseurs, status symbol, and Euro-apologist buyers into the fold. As a result, we have a contingent of owners with more cash than sense buying without negotiating a bit, and in some cases bidding to have the Rap. Ok, it’s a free market, but do ya’ll mind if I juxtapose? [ admit it, at least some of you thought I couldn’t spell juxtapose ]

great.

so, back in the days of my pimply faced, hot rod magazine reading youth, we had the 5.0 LX Mustang, Grand National, IROC and Trans Ams. The 5 speed, 302 LX Mustang could be had for about $12k with good negotiating skills, which was - much to the chagrin of many drivers, well within reach of an enlisted E-3 or above in service, or high school graduate with a moderately good job and some financial sense. The rest were more expensive and didn’t deliver any significant more bang for the buck and the LX 5.0 gained a substantial cult following. It put power into the hands of the driving public if they wanted it. Multiple drivers were doing legit, low 13 second 1/4 miles at MIR in southern MD with only a few hundred dollars in mods. Sure, it was basically a ’70’s Fairmont unibody with a big v8 and different body panels but... None of us cared! I can’t count the number of indiscriminate Mustang drivers I encountered back then, there were too many to count.
You know what though?
When the better, SN95 replaced the Fox, when the Modular replaced the Windsor, the 32valves came along, there was none of this kind of partisan, mental ************ about who had the better car, or how vastly superior it was. For all the juvenile, pimply faced, barely holding on to their license, immature, on high risk insurance attitude, we respected the other owners, the same as we would have respected someone who pulled into the pits for a run in a 428SCJ or a 289 convertible.

Here we are, yet again, pissing on the gen 1 guys.
Perhaps the discussion point was made inarticulately, or misspoken but keep in mind that a vast majority of communication is non-verbal and words on the internet don’t convey thought process or emotion. You might be thinking - ‘hah! I’ll bust 2xA ron’s chops’ while he’s reading your response, loading up AK mags and looking up your particulars. You just don’t really know how your words might come across ( I picked Aaron at random, for all I know he’s one of those AR shooting range ninjas ).

Done juxtaposin’. Ya’ll can get back to the flaming.