CA Moves to Kill the ICE

[John813]

IMO some states will be way faster than others with the grid. I assume California over the next 15 years will be very progressive in converting spaces to charging stations, pushing maybe more EV credits too to help people make the switch.
And if they are delayed, they can always push back that date.

Car manufacturers have worked and still work with C.A.R.B. and will surely start to produce more EV cars. The Mach 1(terrible name for it) is coming soon and in the near future I'm sure we'll see the F-150 fully electric as an option.

I don't really have a strong opinion on this. I've driven a few teslas, they pull really well. I think the biggest thing for me isn't sound, but the lost ability to really work on your own car.

 

[Kaz109]

IMO some states will be way faster than others with the grid. I assume California over the next 15 years will be very progressive in converting spaces to charging stations, pushing maybe more EV credits too to help people make the switch.
And if they are delayed, they can always push back that date.

Car manufacturers have worked and still work with C.A.R.B. and will surely start to produce more EV cars. The Mach 1(terrible name for it) is coming soon and in the near future I'm sure we'll see the F-150 fully electric as an option.

I don't really have a strong opinion on this. I've driven a few teslas, they pull really well. I think the biggest thing for me isn't sound, but the lost ability to really work on your own car.

Are you referring to regular maintenance or adding power

 

[jabroni619]

Until your entire roof system is composed of solar panel shingles there is not much point to the idea of electric cars saving the environment. If Tesla was really interested in conservation they would focus more on range and less on speed.

How so? Why can’t the charging network be powered by renewable energy to more efficiently achieve that goal? Also, every new iteration of Tesla’s vehicles has boasted more range than the last. So they are doing that as well.

 

[John813]

Are you referring to regular maintenance or adding power

A little bit of both.

Maybe I'll need to dive more into tesla forums to educate myself some more.
Just looking over my inlaws Tesla it doesn't seem to friendly to troubleshoot/fix.

 

[PlainJane]

I think you are all missing the elephant in the room. Self driving cars will change the world as we know it. They will be electric, owned by the manufacturer, replace millions of ICE and be charged at private charging stations.

 

[melvimbe]

Overall, this is pretty meaningless. 15 years is a long time, and the date will most likely be pushed back. Auto manufacturers won't switch to all electric if they can't sell all electric.

As well, I think this standard is so far from what we are currently have now, that one of two things going to occur. One, the Federal government steps and declares that this is a matter of interstate commerce, and thus the state can't set this standards. That is debatably to since California's policies tend to be applied to all vehicles because of the size of their market. And California should not set policy for the rest of us.

If that doesn't happen, I can see auto makers deciding that they will still make ICE vehicles, they just won't sell them in Calif. Typically, that's not a cost effective approach, but I think there will absolutely be enough demand in the other 49 states to justify keeping some ICE models around. And Californians can travel to another state to get the vehicle they want.

 

[Kaz109]

I'm not up on my Hipster Tesla Talk, but isn't there an AWD Model that has Ludicrous Mode?

I remember a few years back Top Gear USA tested a Tesla against the Cadillac CTS-V and the Charger Hellcat, and the hole shot was insane. If manufacturers can produce electric vehicles with performance included, enthusiasts will slowly follow the trend.

For me the real question is battery life. I live in Western Montana, and traveling from here to Seattle, WA is 500 miles. Currently I stop for gas, go pee, and then I'm on my way. I have serious concerns about an electric vehicle being able to realistically make these kinds of trips.

I think for you it is a one off, most ppl traveling 500mi typically have kids or just stop to eat for 30 mins to an hour. In that time the car would charge 80-90% of compacity which should be more than enough to finish the trip.

15 years from now I can only assume the tech will be there for even longer trips and faster charging just as it has in the last 8 years when the model s was first introduced.

 

[06viper]

Ok people, I have one thing to say on this topic. I have a pretty good background in the recycling and energy industry. I work with many major power plants across the U.S. for scrap demolition jobs so I know a thing or two about energy, especially power plants. When doing demos on these power plants over the past 13 years, I have learned a good amount about them. Just stop what you are doing for a couple seconds and think. Where do you think the majority of electricity in the world comes from? COAL POWER PLANTS, YES COAL. Its hilarious people think electricity all comes from solar panels or other clean sources like nuclear power plants. Thats only a very very very small percentage. The majority of electricity still comes from good old fashion coal power plants still. Yes some power plants are able to filter out a percentage of pollution from the coal, but still you get my point. Ok rants over lol.

 

[Sgt Beavis]

I'm not up on my Hipster Tesla Talk, but isn't there an AWD Model that has Ludicrous Mode?

I remember a few years back Top Gear USA tested a Tesla against the Cadillac CTS-V and the Charger Hellcat, and the hole shot was insane. If manufacturers can produce electric vehicles with performance included, enthusiasts will slowly follow the trend.

For me the real question is battery life. I live in Western Montana, and traveling from here to Seattle, WA is 500 miles. Currently I stop for gas, go pee, and then I'm on my way. I have serious concerns about an electric vehicle being able to realistically make these kinds of trips.

Tesla has a 500mile battery coming in the Cybertruck and likely in other vehicles. They already have a 400mile range battery. Also, there are several supercharger stations along I-40. An EV might not be right for you "now" but I can almost guarantee you it will be viable in 10 more years. IMO, EV's can now take care of about 75% of use cases.

A lot can change in 15 years. Electric is coming, make no mistake. It gives every single car company a reason that your old ICE vehicle needs to be replaced. However, no car company is completely writing off ICEs (aside from all-electric companies like Tesla of course). BMW is planning on another 50 years of ICS development for example.

Perhaps ICE will become niche and for enthusiast that want to get off the grid or have special requirements of their vehicles. But Baja trips, overlanding, track days will all still be around, the question is how they are addressed. People won't give up on this and will demand a way to achieve it. It's easy for politicians, most of who won't even be in office in 15 years, to say by this date, this will happen. It never works that way. The larger message is, electric is coming, has some nice benefits, and we'll all adjust. Get ready for more taxes BTW, since electric vehicles bypass the highway taxes built into a gallon go gas.

Electric has its advantages. Tesla yesterday announced their new Plaid model S platform. Sun 9-seconf 1/4 mile times, 200 MPH top speed. Even with Tesla's usual over-hyping included, that will be one hell of a car. I've had two electric cars now and there is something about them that's really satisfying to use. But I also have plenty of ICE vehicles and they are my go-to when I want to actually get somewhere. We're going to see a blend of the two for the next few decades.

Not only that Plaid Model S (gotta love SpaceBalls references) but a totally new battery design that eliminates cobalt. It's expected to be half the price of current batteries in a $ per kWh basis. Tesla also said they expect to start selling a sub $25K model in 2 years (so let's say 3 years).

Until your entire roof system is composed of solar panel shingles there is not much point to the idea of electric cars saving the environment. If Tesla was really interested in conservation they would focus more on range and less on speed.

They've gone from 200miles of range to over 400miles in less than 10 years. They've already said they'll be at 500 miles range in a couple years. Tesla's battery development has been focused on making it more affordable, faster charging, greater range, and durability.

I think you are all missing the elephant in the room. Self driving cars will change the world as we know it. They will be electric, owned by the manufacturer, replace millions of ICE and be charged at private charging stations.

Not sure about cars being whole owned by the manufacturer but the potential does exist. Self driving cars are absolutely going to happen and it'll be great. Having mobility will allow us to be self supporting in our senior years and more able to stay in our own homes instead of assisted living or nursing homes. Lots of potential there..

 

[GordoJay]

How so? Why can’t the charging network be powered by renewable energy to more efficiently achieve that goal?

First, you can't generate enough renewable energy. Second, renewable energy isn't free. The amount of energy required to build a windmill or a solar farm is enormous. Mining, refining, multiple levels of manufacturing, energy gets burned at each stage. And no, ethanol isn't the answer. A corn ethanol plant runs off of fossil fuel because if it ran on ethanol, there wouldn't be much left. Ethanol fuel is welfare for corn farmers. By the time you add in the fuel and fertilizer needed to grow the corn, we would use less net fossil fuel if we had no ethanol program at all. Other biofuels? Basically, you're burning wood for power. A giant leap into the 19th century. Solar is probably the closest to viability, but storage is a problem. Maybe if we required that everyone have their electric car plugged in whenever the sun shines, you could use the car batteries for storage.