Brainstorming Potential IWE Solution

[The Mav]

Agreed, so just use the iwe eliminators from rcv. Does the same thing.

exactly. I don't see why people are scared of it. It just works. Maybe they like not having working 4x4? IDK?

True, however he was stock travel, just 3.0s. Furthermore, he spent most of his time muddin' or rock crawling.



Some well known shops have also advised me against it. The decision is yours though.

His uses are harder on things than most peoples. and it held up for him great. So that should be proof enough that for less stress they will be ever better.

Did these shops tell you why they advise against it? probably to sell you something else that can break, and make you spend more money with them.

OEM's wouldn't use it if it was a bad design. Hell ford used it themselves. when the rangers switch to SLA IFS from the TTB setup, they had vacuum operated hubs like the raptors do now. 2 years after that they switch to unit bearings and a live axle setup because the vacuum hubs were a terrible system and kept breaking. Why the stopped using the design is beyond me. Oh wait, they can make more money off parts this way! Genius!

Some people will say the torsen is why a live axle setup is bad for this particular situation, but they would be mistaken again. Many people run live axles with limited slips up front, including torsens. No issues.

nothing to be afraid of. Added wear? so minimal it's useless to mention. Worse MPG? again, so minimal is not worth mentioning. I mean, I guess the only downside is if you like seeing your ford dealer when your IWE breaks, you wont be able to do that anymore.

 

[Deleted member 12951]

Why the stopped using the design is beyond me. Oh wait, they can make more money off parts this way! Genius!
.

Even though I understand where you are coming from, it doesn't make sense for this reason alone. Ford is spending a lot of money fixing these under a warranty claim and paying the dealership to replace them. I doubt they are making more money selling the IWE part alone. Knock on wood that I haven't had IWE issue but I do carry the Dorman replacement with me.

 

[The Mav]

they arent making any money on raptors yet because they are still under warranty for the most part. They are making money off the earlier F150's by doing this though. as they have the issue as well ever since they switched to the IWE in 2004.

it happens to raptors more often simply due to the abuse and larger tires they have. but this issue isnt raptor specific at all.

im just saying if you guys want a permanent solution and not a band-aid that will fall off, the only option right now is the IWE eliminator. Until a manual hub comes out. and the IWE eliminator is not a bad choice at all like some people want to think it is.

but hey, it's your truck, you do what you want to do.

 

[Deleted member 12951]

they arent making any money on raptors yet because they are still under warranty for the most part. They are making money off the earlier F150's by doing this though. as they have the issue as well ever since they switched to the IWE in 2004.

it happens to raptors more often simply due to the abuse and larger tires they have. but this issue isnt raptor specific at all.

im just saying if you guys want a permanent solution and not a band-aid that will fall off, the only option right now is the IWE eliminator. Until a manual hub comes out. and the IWE eliminator is not a bad choice at all like some people want to think it is.

but hey, it's your truck, you do what you want to do.

Not saying you are right or wrong just don't think Ford is using this design for the sole purpose to make money on parts after warranties expire.

I know that RCV is coming out with a better IWE eliminator and better boot to go on it (no more toilet plunger). Corey with RPG is working with them on the new design.

 

[The Mav]

I can't see any other reason really they use that design. There are no positives to it on the consumer end.

 

[Dan06]

His uses are harder on things than most peoples. and it held up for him great. So that should be proof enough that for less stress they will be ever better.

I was just noting he didn't do much of anything at speed and had stock travel. In theory I would think more than stock travel at speed is the reason I occasionally have boot issues in 4x4.

Did these shops tell you why they advise against it? probably to sell you something else that can break, and make you spend more money with them

Their reasons are the reasons I've given in multiple different posts. Just told me to keep using IWEs, which I commonly do myself. At one time I considered the eliminators.

 

[The Mav]

I was just noting he didn't do much of anything at speed and had stock travel. In theory I would think longer than stock travel at speed is the reason I occasionally have boot issues in 4x4.



Their reasons are the reasons I've given in multiple different posts. Just told me to keep using IWEs, which I commonly do myself. At one time I considered the eliminators.

what are those legit reasons? cause all ive seen is misinformation regarding live axles.

and high speed you dont need 4x4, slow technical stuff is where the stress comes from. Boot issues are unrelated to the IWE.

 

[Dan06]

what are those legit reasons? cause all ive seen is misinformation regarding live axles.

and high speed you dont need 4x4, slow technical stuff is where the stress comes from. Boot issues are unrelated to the IWE.

Clearly your opinion of it is biased as you aren't having problems...

Boot issues are related too a constantly turning axle... Otherwise the boot would sit stationary with the axle.

Sometimes you do need 4x4 at high speed... Slick terrain such as ice, snow, muddy trails... There's plenty of times it's helpful.

I wouldn't want more boot problems or any other axle issue than now with a constantly rotating axle using the eliminators.

 

[The Mav]

yea, I am biased as the truck I own has a live axle front end. and I haven't touched the boots since i've owned the truck. there are no added wear issues. it's all BS. the constantly turning axles means all sides of the CV joint are being greased all the time. the boot always moving is a good thing. if you leave rubber sitting in one spot for a long period of time, then all of a sudden ask it to move, you run the risk of cracks. in 6 years of owning my truck, and 100k miles under my ownership, I have had zero boot failures. I have had zero hub issues. I have had zero front end issues at all.

yes, I am biased towards what I see work.

boot issues related to constantly spinning cv shafts is a myth. All other OEM's use the same live axle design. No boot issues. Aftermarket uses live axle setups, no boot issues.

I don't know why you insist on thinking that you will instantly have boot issues if your axle is always turning. You wont. No one does. look around at what people are running. hell even on this forum you can find people with the eliminator. No boot issues. No mpg drops. It's a myth. Don't know why you think it's an issue when it clearly is not.

---------- Post added at 01:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:38 PM ----------

Hell, FWD cars have been using a live axle setup forever. They don't have boot issues from constantly spinning axles. and not only are they spinning all the time, they are spinning all the time with power being applied all the time.

 

[Dan06]

yea, I am biased as the truck I own has a live axle front end. and I haven't touched the boots since i've owned the truck. there are no added wear issues. it's all BS. the constantly turning axles means all sides of the CV joint are being greased all the time. the boot always moving is a good thing. if you leave rubber sitting in one spot for a long period of time, then all of a sudden ask it to move, you run the risk of cracks. in 6 years of owning my truck, and 100k miles under my ownership, I have had zero boot failures. I have had zero hub issues. I have had zero front end issues at all.

yes, I am biased towards what I see work.

boot issues related to constantly spinning cv shafts is a myth. All other OEM's use the same live axle design. No boot issues. Aftermarket uses live axle setups, no boot issues.

I don't know why you insist on thinking that you will instantly have boot issues if your axle is always turning. You wont. No one does. look around at what people are running. hell even on this forum you can find people with the eliminator. No boot issues. No mpg drops. It's a myth. Don't know why you think it's an issue when it clearly is not.

---------- Post added at 01:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:38 PM ----------

Hell, FWD cars have been using a live axle setup forever. They don't have boot issues from constantly spinning axles. and not only are they spinning all the time, they are spinning all the time with power being applied all the time.

If I occasionally have issues now wouldn't it stand to reason with common sense I'd have more going your route? That's rhetorical