2015 F150 Website leaked

[Nick@Apollo-Optics]

You guys do understand what CAFE standards are right? It's for the FLEET average, not just an individual engine. So ford can have a gas sucking crappy mileage 6.2 and meet CAFE standards, as long as they sell enough fuel sipping economical engines that the fleet average meets the CAFE standards. So they very well could offer a 6.2 again if they return the Raptor, if they're selling enough of the V6's that their fleet average is higher than the CAFE standards.

I understand exactly how CAFE standards work; they are for the entire Ford fleet. F-150s make up roughly 25% of Ford sales. All F-Series trucks are responsible for about 1/3 of all sales.

You have to look at two things:
1) The negative impact of 6.2L mpg on the fleet. Why do you think the 6.2L is so limited in availability now? Why do you think it's such an expensive option? Ford wants to sell as few 6.2L trucks as possible.
2) Economies of scale. It's expensive to have all these motors as is. Having another motor specifically for the Raptor would not be cost-effective.

My last point has nothing to do with government, but just has to do with technology. There are ways to get better power and better mpg out of motor now. The 6.2L is a pig. Technology is advancing. Do I want the next gen Raptor to have the 2.7L Ecoboost? No! But do I want a truck that will be selling in the year 2020 to have an NA V8 getting 10mpg? No! And Ford wouldn't want that either. The 6.2L motor will not be the motor in the next-gen Raptor.

 

[Raptor911]

Maybe ford will enlarge the 5.0 to 5.3ish and that will become the new V8 Raptor engine.

 

[Icecobra]

Most likely a turbo charged 5.0 or something close to that.. will be in the 2016 Raptor..

 

[KaiserM715]

Guessing it's going to be extraordinarily expensive. Hope this isn't the case, but I'm guessing add $10k to the price of your Raptor if you want to know what an "equivalent" 2016 will cost. It won't jsut be "equivalent", it'll be better, but to check the boxes for the stuff you have now you'll have to pay $10k more. I'm completely making this up, hope I'm wrong, but guessing I'm right, especially if the new Silverado pricing is any kind of indicator.

I would guess that you are not too far off.
More high strength steel (material costs more) = more $$
A lot of aluminum (material costs more, plus, based on my experience,costs more to manufacture) = more $$
A lot more tech (development for tech, plus the addition of the hardware, wiring and computing power) = more $$

Plus, I would expect collision / dent repair costs to go up as well. Steel panels can be repaired more easily, aluminum can crack when repaired, which means more panel replacement vs panel repair.

 

[Reptar]

I understand exactly how CAFE standards work; they are for the entire Ford fleet. F-150s make up roughly 25% of Ford sales. All F-Series trucks are responsible for about 1/3 of all sales.

You have to look at two things:
1) The negative impact of 6.2L mpg on the fleet. Why do you think the 6.2L is so limited in availability now? Why do you think it's such an expensive option? Ford wants to sell as few 6.2L trucks as possible.
2) Economies of scale. It's expensive to have all these motors as is. Having another motor specifically for the Raptor would not be cost-effective.

My last point has nothing to do with government, but just has to do with technology. There are ways to get better power and better mpg out of motor now. The 6.2L is a pig. Technology is advancing. Do I want the next gen Raptor to have the 2.7L Ecoboost? No! But do I want a truck that will be selling in the year 2020 to have an NA V8 getting 10mpg? No! And Ford wouldn't want that either. The 6.2L motor will not be the motor in the next-gen Raptor.

Yes but what % of the entire fleet are Raptors? The more 2.7 EB, 3.5 N/A, and 3.5 EBs they sell, the easier they can meet the CAFE standards, and if there's margin, there's potential to allow a 6.2 gas hog in the fleet.

I'm with you though, I agree the 6.2 is an outdated pig of an engine. 2 years ago I was posting the very same thing and everying was shouting no way it's the future of engines lol. Just because it's big and new didn't mean it was the greatest and the future. Iron block, 2v, and different bore spacing than the 4.6/5.0/5.4/5.8 basically every other ford V8...odd ball out. Only iron block left....odd ball out. Only 2v left...odd ball out lol. Aluminum block, 4v, and ecoboosts are the future.

And I'd agree it's not economical to only offer a single engine for the raptor that isn't offered anywhere else, but it's still in the superduty lineup, so while it wouldn't be as cheap as tossing a 5.0 in it, it's not like they're putting a totally one off spec engine in there that isn't in any other vehicle or model.

If ford doesn't come out with a Gen 3 Lightning, and only comes out with a Gen 3 Raptor, I'll likely upgrade, and my first choice would be a 3.5 ecoboost, my 2nd choice would be the 5.0 that would quickly get modded with the huge aftermarket out there for the 5.0

Maybe ford will enlarge the 5.0 to 5.3ish and that will become the new V8 Raptor engine.

I highly doubt Ford would move away from the 5.0 displacement, not only is it iconic to the Ford brand (even though the only thing in common with the original 5.0 is the number lol), 5.3 is also a well known Chevy engine size (and again, while it would have nothing in common with the chevy 5.3, idiots out there would automatically assume ford was putting in chevy engines lol), and the 5.0 has MASSIVE potential for power without increasing displacement, just look at the Boss mustangs, modded GT mustangs, and cobra jets. Ford may offer a higher performance version by changing cams and an intake manifold, but doubt they'd add an entire separate engine displacement, especially when the idea behind the raptor isn't speed, but offroad capability.

They'll easily spin the marketing campaign that the 5.0 + 700 lbs weight reduction of the aluminum body can outperform the 6.2 with 700 lbs more body weight and probaby 100 lbs more engine weight, so there's no need for the 6.2 in the Raptor when it can be 800 lbs lighter with a 5.0 and aluminum body.

 

[RaptorScrew]

I like how stocky the interior on these look.

 

[Nick@Apollo-Optics]

Yes but what % of the entire fleet are Raptors? The more 2.7 EB, 3.5 N/A, and 3.5 EBs they sell, the easier they can meet the CAFE standards, and if there's margin, there's potential to allow a 6.2 gas hog in the fleet.

I'm with you though, I agree the 6.2 is an outdated pig of an engine. 2 years ago I was posting the very same thing and everying was shouting no way it's the future of engines lol. Just because it's big and new didn't mean it was the greatest and the future. Iron block, 2v, and different bore spacing than the 4.6/5.0/5.4/5.8 basically every other ford V8...odd ball out. Only iron block left....odd ball out. Only 2v left...odd ball out lol. Aluminum block, 4v, and ecoboosts are the future.

And I'd agree it's not economical to only offer a single engine for the raptor that isn't offered anywhere else, but it's still in the superduty lineup, so while it wouldn't be as cheap as tossing a 5.0 in it, it's not like they're putting a totally one off spec engine in there that isn't in any other vehicle or model.

If ford doesn't come out with a Gen 3 Lightning, and only comes out with a Gen 3 Raptor, I'll likely upgrade, and my first choice would be a 3.5 ecoboost, my 2nd choice would be the 5.0 that would quickly get modded with the huge aftermarket out there for the 5.0



I highly doubt Ford would move away from the 5.0 displacement, not only is it iconic to the Ford brand (even though the only thing in common with the original 5.0 is the number lol), 5.3 is also a well known Chevy engine size (and again, while it would have nothing in common with the chevy 5.3, idiots out there would automatically assume ford was putting in chevy engines lol), and the 5.0 has MASSIVE potential for power without increasing displacement, just look at the Boss mustangs, modded GT mustangs, and cobra jets. Ford may offer a higher performance version by changing cams and an intake manifold, but doubt they'd add an entire separate engine displacement, especially when the idea behind the raptor isn't speed, but offroad capability.

They'll easily spin the marketing campaign that the 5.0 + 700 lbs weight reduction of the aluminum body can outperform the 6.2 with 700 lbs more body weight and probaby 100 lbs more engine weight, so there's no need for the 6.2 in the Raptor when it can be 800 lbs lighter with a 5.0 and aluminum body.

In 2012, Raptors accounted for roughly 10% of all F-150s. It's gone up each year. I hear what you're saying though.

I also agree that the 6.2 needs to go. It was cool to have and I like pulling up at a red light knowing I've got the biggest engine in the pack. But a beefed up (and desert proof) EB or beefed up 5.0 with comparable performance and ~20mpg in Raptor trim would be awesome.

 

[skyscraper]

Raptors accounted for 10% of all f-150 production? I didn't know it was that high.

 

[FullAuto]

Raptors accounted for 10% of all f-150 production? I didn't know it was that high.

For real....they are not that popular in SE PA. I hadn't seen one in over six months.

 

[Cleave]

Barely more than 10k raptors have been sold each year since it's introduction, that's not going to make up 10% of f-150 production in any year, even if it was 1969 still